1 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,640 This week the Antiques Roadshow has arrived in Suffolk, a few miles from Ipswich. 2 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,160 Our venue? 3 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:53,680 Well, you'd be hard pressed to find a more enchanting building and gardens. 4 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,880 Helmingham Hall is the perfect Tudor manor house, 5 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,160 complete with its own moat and not one but two working drawbridges. 6 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,640 Since the house was built in 1510, 7 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,400 every night the drawbridges have been raised, 8 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,040 and then every morning they've been lowered again. 9 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,680 It must have been a good way to keep out robbers and marauders. 10 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:22,400 I have to say, for me, this is a first. 11 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,080 There we go. 12 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Unlike many historic houses, this is very much a private family home, 13 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,920 and only the gardens are open to the public. 14 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,080 Since John Tollemache first commissioned this building, 15 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,880 20 successive generations of the Tollemache family have lived here, and continue to do so today. 16 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,640 Helmingham is the ultimate in 16th-century style, with its oak panelling 17 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,880 and walls bristling with armour and fearsome pikes. 18 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,000 A fitting place to welcome a royal, 19 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,080 and family legend has it that Queen Elizabeth I did come here to visit. 20 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,560 What's known for sure is that Lionel Tollemache served his Queen 21 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,960 fending off the Spanish in 1588. 22 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,640 He stood with her at Tilbury, ready to defend our shores from the Armada. 23 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,240 Walking around the house, it does feel as though 24 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,200 you're on the set of a Tudor drama, like Wolf Hall. 25 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,360 Faces of Tollemache family members from the 16th century 26 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,360 look down from almost every wall. 27 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,640 And Elizabeth I even has a presence here. 28 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,680 This portrait was painted around the time of the Spanish Armada 29 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,280 in the 1580s, at the height of her powers. 30 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,840 That's not the only royal remnant, though. 31 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,960 Take a look at this. 32 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,240 It looks like a lute but in actual fact it's an orpharion - 33 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,000 far more unusual - with wire strings instead of gut. 34 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,720 And it is believed to have been a gift from Elizabeth I. 35 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,960 Just look at the craftsmanship. 36 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,920 Beautiful scallop shell on the back. 37 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,680 It even has its maker's name and mark - 38 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,640 John Rose, dated 1580. 39 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:09,880 Now, as far as anyone knows, 40 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,480 this is the only 16th-century orpharion still in existence. 41 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,000 So, I think even our experts would struggle to put a value on this. 42 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Let's see what other remarkable finds come to light at today's Antiques Roadshow, 43 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,160 out in the gardens of Helmingham Hall. 44 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,280 Here we've got a really over-the-top tea set. 45 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,480 Do you know where it comes from? 46 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,640 It belongs to my father-in-law. Came down through his family. 47 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,440 Yes. His grandfather, David Murdoch, 48 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:46,520 was born in Finland in the late 1860s, 1869. 49 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,560 From a Jewish family. 50 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,280 Family lived in Finland. 51 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,360 He requested permission to get married and wasn't given permission, 52 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,480 and had to leave Finland, so moved to St Petersburg. 53 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Yes. Where he became quite a successful businessman. 54 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,440 He had a mill and dealt in grain. 55 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,800 And we sort of assume that that's where it originated from. 56 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:14,400 And he lived there until 1917 when he was in danger of persecution, 57 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,360 so had to escape from Russia and went back to Finland... 58 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,960 Right. ..in 1917. 59 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,760 So, he brought this with him? 60 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,640 We assume that he brought that with him, yes. 61 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,720 OK. Escaped with his five children, back to Finland. 62 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,680 Well, we might come back to that bit in a moment. 63 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,320 You're absolutely right. 64 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,480 This is a Russian tea set 65 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,240 made in silver with silver-gilt borders. 66 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:45,560 And covered - literally covered, isn't it? - in amazing enamel. 67 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,560 If we pick up one piece... 68 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,840 ..we can see it's got a maker's mark here which is in Cyrillic. 69 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:58,840 It actually reads to us "MC", but that's the mark for Maria Seminova, 70 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:04,120 one of the best makers and enamellers of the late 19th century, 71 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,360 very early 20th century. 72 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,280 And this set dates from that period. 73 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:12,640 It's typical of that style of work. 74 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,040 But this is just extraordinary, 75 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,080 the amount of work that's gone into this. 76 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,560 And what I particularly like is this combination of monochrome enamel - 77 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,480 we've got the solid green here - 78 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,040 then we have the much more subtle shaded enamel, 79 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,600 and that's what gives the whole thing 80 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:37,120 a really beautiful, much more exciting and subtle look. 81 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:44,680 Now, it's very unusual, and I don't ever recall seeing a tray 82 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 with a tea set. 83 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,600 And I'm astonished that there is no particular damage to the tray. 84 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,760 And I think it goes back to my earlier comment 85 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,400 that these things were so delicate they were probably never used. 86 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,760 And there's hardly any sign of use on this. 87 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,160 I shouldn't think you've ever used it. 88 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,000 I don't fancy using it, no. 89 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,280 THEY LAUGH 90 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,280 I don't think it has. It's been on a dresser, displayed on a dresser. 91 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:10,480 OK. So I don't think it has. 92 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Well, one of the things I'm really anxious to know is, 93 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,640 is there any chance that this set could have been purchased in the 1970s? 94 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,040 No. Absolutely none? 95 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,360 No, my father-in-law remembers it from his childhood. 96 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,200 OK. He's in his mid-90s now. 97 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,520 So, he remembers certainly his parents having it. 98 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,920 There's a very good reason I asked that, 99 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:40,520 because there were some tremendously good fakes made in the 1970s. 100 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,720 So I'm assuming that it's absolutely genuine, 100% genuine. 101 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,680 I should ask you, has anybody ever looked at it and given you an opinion? 102 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,760 I think people have looked at it but he's been told varying amounts, 103 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,920 so we haven't had a proper valuation, no. So, no idea. 104 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,640 OK. How about £20,000? 105 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,040 Oh, my goodness. Really? 106 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:05,680 Wow! 107 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,360 Gosh. 108 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,960 Goodness. Thank you very much. 109 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,320 Thank you. I shall have to phone him and tell him. 110 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Thank you. Thank you. 111 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,160 I don't know about you but the intensity, 112 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,760 that really, really hot colour, 113 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,680 her gaze - it screams the 1920s at you. 114 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,760 The speed at which this watercolour has been done 115 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,760 gives this an energy and a drive that makes me wonder, 116 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,240 is it by Laura Knight? 117 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,680 You think so? I do. 118 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,320 I do. And I'm hoping you're going to tell me that it is. 119 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,760 Well, she, of course, you know, painting between the wars, 120 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,880 was fascinated by life behind the scenes and the stage. 121 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Is that something that you're interested in? 122 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,080 It is, it is. I used to work in the theatre. 123 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,440 In Hampshire, actually, in repertory. 124 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,280 And I was at Alton in Hampshire at an auction sale, 125 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,160 and this was just in a pile of things. 126 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,680 And I just put in a bid. 127 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,360 I could afford £20, so I put £21.50 on it. 128 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,320 That's a good trick. And that's what I got. 129 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 That's what I got it for. Yes. I think I recognise her. 130 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,360 I'm sure that I've seen her before in another picture 131 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,680 and that you'll find out who she is quite easily. 132 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,640 Fantastic. In other words, I think it is by Laura Knight. 133 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,640 That's amazing. 134 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,000 I'm so happy that you've said that, because I absolutely love it. 135 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,760 I adore it. It's that gorgeous orange 136 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,920 that she uses in her pictures 137 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,040 that caught my eye, and the freeness of it. 138 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,200 And working in the theatre myself, 139 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:44,080 that backstage moment is just fabulous, and I love it. 140 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,320 It hangs in my bedroom and it has done since 1986. 141 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 She's intense, she is passionate, she's out there. 142 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,600 She's engaged, she's fully concentrating. 143 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,960 These colours are extraordinary together, aren't they? 144 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,480 It's in fantastic condition. It's hardly faded at all. 145 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,440 I'm so excited that you think it is. 146 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,960 No, I don't just think. Actually, for once I'm certain. 147 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,560 You're certain it is! 148 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:08,600 That's fantastic. You can tell that she's slipped behind the curtains. 149 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,280 There she is, she's between scenes or perhaps it's after the show - 150 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,400 she looks quite tired, actually. Yes, she does. 151 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,960 And she's really done it quickly. 152 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,000 And got her. Yes. For ever, for us, for now. 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,600 Exactly. Was she a singer, was she a dancer? 154 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,440 I don't know. Well, it won't be hard to find out. 155 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,640 I really think you've got to make it a mission, 156 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,120 cos it is a fascinating thing. 157 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,480 OK. Anyway, all this amounts to something like... 158 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,000 ..£4,000. 159 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Oh! That's fantastic. 160 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,000 That's amazing. Thank you so much. 161 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,640 I think that's wonderful. 162 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,960 The drama and intrigue I see in front of me, 163 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,920 you really do have the box set. 164 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,320 So, what's the story? 165 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,280 A very early visit to Snowshill Manor outside Broadway 166 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,560 sort of got me interested in antiques. 167 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:57,640 And thereafter I was able to convince my wife 168 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,600 that actually as part of our pension planning 169 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,960 we should be investing in boxes, and here we have some of them today. 170 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,760 OK, so, really, 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,240 I'm less of an antique expert today and more of a financial planner? 172 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:11,760 Absolutely. Or financial adviser. 173 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,680 So much so that actually it's going to determine whether I'm going to 174 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:16,600 have an early retirement or a late one. 175 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,920 Oh, right. So, no pressure, then. Yes. And, why boxes? 176 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,560 It's partly social history, 177 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,080 partly the way in which they've been made 178 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,120 and the era that they represent. 179 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,320 Have you retained all of the pieces you've bought or are you selling to 180 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,520 upgrade? No, we tend not to sell 181 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,160 which is hopefully a sign that, as far as the family are concerned, 182 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,600 that I've bought wisely. 183 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Everything that you see we've collected over the years, 184 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,440 we've added to. OK. 185 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,360 I've singled these three out today. 186 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,480 And if I go for this one first, 187 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,600 this is what is commonly known today as Essex Crystal. 188 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Connected to a gentleman called William Essex 189 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,960 who was well known for doing sort of miniature enamel. 190 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,080 But actually, there's no connection to these sort of 191 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,600 reverse intaglio crystals. 192 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,920 But it's just a name that's sort of stuck, 193 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,360 and actually today they're commonly known as Essex crystals. 194 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,200 When you open it up you've got a real little surprise inside. 195 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,600 They've got this little strike there, so this clearly is a vesta. 196 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,680 And if I just come in here we can see, 197 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:21,560 we've got a date mark here for London in 1882. 198 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:26,240 Yep. And then we've got a maker's mark here for TJ. 199 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Now, I think that's Thomas Johnson, 200 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,120 who was making this type of box in the 19th century. 201 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,120 Moving on. The micro-mosaic. 202 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,400 I mean, if we think, I suppose, of mosaics, we think of the Romans. 203 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,360 And then these micro-mosaics were made in a glass 204 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,920 and then later in Italy with enamel. 205 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,680 A series of tiny pieces, 206 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,960 all of these sections go together to build up an image. 207 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,880 And actually, I have to say it's quite an unusual image, this. 208 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,560 You know, the hen and the chicks. 209 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,480 So, that's a very, very good thing. 210 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,080 And this one, of course, is in silver gilt. 211 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,400 This is something that, I suppose, somebody would have picked up 212 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,520 on their sort of grand tour, brought back, 213 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,240 and then it was mounted as a box. 214 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,200 Or it could have been a commission or something like that. 215 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,120 And then we open this one up and we see in there 216 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,200 we've got a maker's mark for TN. 217 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,560 Now, I think that might be Thomas Northcote, 218 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,360 who was also a box-maker, as well. 219 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,200 And, you know, why do I say Thomas Northcote? 220 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,880 Quality - you've got this wonderful engine turning, great thing, 221 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,200 lovely, lovely quality. You know, looking at them, 222 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,600 they range, really, from the sort of 18th and then into the 19th century. 223 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,320 And then we come onto a sort of a grand tour piece. 224 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,760 This lovely sort of gilt casket. 225 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,200 Again, quality. It's just... 226 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,280 When you pick this one up, actually, this one's just very, very tactile. 227 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,920 You want to keep turning it around and having it in your hand. 228 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,960 It's got the wear consistent with a lot of happy hands have held that over the years. 229 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,920 And you've got these little malachite cameos and the little figural ones 230 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,760 that are on the side, as well. 231 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,200 It's just such fabulous quality. 232 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,360 And if I just open that lid, you know, 233 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,760 it just opens and closes so beautifully you want to keep doing it. 234 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,280 It's a lovely thing. 235 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,960 So, here I am today, 236 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,280 charged with seeing whether or not you've invested wisely over the years. 237 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,120 Together, I think, if this came on the market, 238 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,320 I think you'd be looking at a figure somewhere between 25,000 and 35,000 today. Something like that. 239 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,080 Excellent. Well, we're heading in the right direction. 240 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Perfect. Thank you so much. 241 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,400 Good, pleasure, thanks for 242 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,120 bringing it in. It's a real treat. 243 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,280 Well, it's a really very beautiful little 244 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,280 Chinese 18th-century porcelain bowl, 245 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,160 but I want to know where you got it from. From my mother-in-law. 246 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,760 She received it as a wedding present in 1947 247 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,000 from an old boyfriend. Eh up! 248 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,680 Took pride of place in her drawing room, but my father-in-law hated it 249 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,840 because he didn't approve of the old boyfriend. 250 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,800 The marks on the bottom read "Da Qing Yongzheng nian zhi". 251 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,080 Which roughly translates as 252 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,760 "Made in the Yongzheng reign of the great Qing Dynasty." 253 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Now, as a history teacher you should know that the Yongzheng reign was from...? 254 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,200 1720 to 1740? 255 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:25,480 Pretty good. 1723 to '35, but that was pretty good. 256 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,640 We'll give you that. So, it was made in about 1730, give or take. 257 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,200 It's a beautiful bowl. 258 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,640 Interestingly, it's got this label from Bluett and Son. 259 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Bluett and Son was one of the top London dealerships for Chinese porcelain, 260 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,840 so this would have been an expensive present. 261 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,920 Yeah, very expensive. As far as the value goes it's got a little problem - 262 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,840 it had a chip once which has now been polished out. 263 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,920 Yes. So, because of that, it's worth now in the region of £500. 264 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,680 Right, that's beautiful, though. 265 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,640 Now, I'm looking at a rather strange object, which is a sort of 266 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,640 metal bowl on a wooden stand. 267 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,960 And I'm going to play all my cards at once and say, 268 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,040 I haven't a clue what it is. 269 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,760 So, tell me. 270 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,080 It's a nose cone or spinner, I believe they're called, 271 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,480 from a Spitfire plane which crashed landed, apparently, at RAF Hawkinge in 1940. 272 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,240 So, we're at the height of the Battle of Britain. 273 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Battle of Britain time, yes, exactly. 274 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,520 And it was recovered and cut and converted into a christening font 275 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,520 for one of the staff at the airfield's daughters. 276 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,720 So, are we saying it was a one-off for that christening, 277 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,760 or did it become the font for the chapel 278 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,640 that would have been at the airfield? 279 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,640 I think if it was still at the airfield when they shut it down 280 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,520 it probably would have been used for that purpose, yeah. 281 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,000 Yes. And why have you got it? 282 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,520 My father's cousin bought it at auction in 1990 at an RAF auction 283 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,640 for the benevolent fund, I think. 284 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,800 And he left it in his will to my late father. 285 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,800 So it's come down through the family. 286 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,360 It all now makes sense. I mean, 287 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,600 everybody can imagine what a Spitfire looks like. 288 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,720 You've got a three-bladed propeller and you've got a pointy nose 289 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,840 with a cover that, in a sense, is aerodynamic. 290 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,200 It also covers the gearing for the variable pitch propellers 291 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,440 that were in use at that time. So, it's entirely functional. 292 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,880 We've got a font made from a Spitfire. 293 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Is it an important Spitfire from the Battle of Britain? 294 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,240 The auction catalogue of the time attributed it to Sailor Malan, 295 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,240 one of the famous aces. 296 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Did he crash land at Hawkinge? 297 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,840 Not as far as I can tell from his biography, no. 298 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,120 Right. But somebody else did? 299 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Another pilot, yes, called John Mungo Park, apparently, 300 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,800 did crash land at Hawkinge. OK. 301 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,680 It has a wonderful sort of resonance, doesn't it? Exactly, yeah. 302 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,800 The idea of christening your child in part of your plane... Yes. 303 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,160 ..works well. Absolutely. Yes. So, what do you do with it? 304 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,200 It has a cover. 305 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Like an occasional table, really, or a drinks table, 306 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,280 but it's not in daily use, really. 307 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Do you know what was paid? I believe it was, in 1990, 308 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,520 paid £580, which was almost double the reserve. 309 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,320 I mean, when you think of the thousands of Spitfires that were scrapped at 310 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,600 the end of the war, this could have come from one of those. 311 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,720 Exactly. Yes. But if you can tie it into that story... 312 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,320 ..it's great. I'll have a go. 313 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,080 And I think therefore on that basis the price was perfectly reasonable. 314 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,240 You know, with a famous piece from a famous plane 315 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,880 flown by a famous pilot... 316 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,680 ..why not £1,000? 317 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,280 You know, to an enthusiast. Thank you very much. 318 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,800 Do you know, when you came you had this box and you said... 319 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,720 There was all this costume jewellery, 320 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,200 and you were saying to me, "It's here somewhere, 321 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,360 "I can't find it." 322 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,840 Then eventually everything was costume jewellery 323 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,400 except for these bits. 324 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,680 Lovely. But then, as soon as I saw these bits 325 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,200 you brought out these fabulous photographs. 326 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,200 So, please tell me who these people are. 327 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,920 Well, this is my grandmother and my aunt, 328 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,680 who was ten years older than my mother. 329 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,400 There's my grandmother here and grandfather. 330 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,680 He was a leather merchant in the First World War. 331 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,000 And I understand he was quite wealthy. 332 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,160 Well, you can tell that they obviously have taste and style 333 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,480 because you can see the jewellery that they're wearing 334 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,920 and that's what's so wonderful, 335 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,440 is that it's bringing these jewels to life. Yeah. 336 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:40,400 These earrings, in fact, if I hold them up to that picture there, 337 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,600 they're identical. That is the same pair. 338 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,760 Yes, I think so. Which is just absolutely fabulous. 339 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,880 Now, these have Austrian hallmarks, why would that be? 340 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,240 They lived in Vienna. 341 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,480 My mother came here in 1936. 342 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,080 My aunt came here in the beginning of '39. 343 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:07,160 My suspicion is that these were probably hidden in my aunt's clothes 344 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,080 as she came here for safety. 345 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,800 And I remember my mother in the '90s, 346 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,280 when my aunt passed away, saying, 347 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,080 "Look at these, these are my nest egg." 348 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,120 So they've been kept very safe ever since. 349 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:27,400 Now, there's a difference in period here 350 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,080 because these are about 1890, that sort of period. 351 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,920 This necklace here is 1900. 352 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,480 It's made of platinum - two very different styles. 353 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:45,440 This is a beautiful delicate platinum necklace which, in fact, 354 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,160 this would be later than the photographs that we've got here. 355 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,120 The necklace is platinum. 356 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,440 It's made in about 1900. 357 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,160 It's set with this beautiful diamond here, 358 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,040 and with this lovely milgrain setting around the outside of it, 359 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,400 and that's very indicative of the 1900s, of this period, 360 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,840 of the Edwardian period. 361 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,280 Very delicate and very light material, platinum is. 362 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,560 And that allows the diamonds to shine, 363 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,520 and the metal just facilitates the diamonds. 364 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,280 Whereas, because this is slightly earlier, of 1890, 365 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,080 this is before platinum came out, 366 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,320 so the earrings here are made with gold and silver. 367 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,440 And the diamonds are still pretty lovely, I must say. 368 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,400 Now, you've had these all valued, haven't you? 369 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,760 Well, when my father died... 370 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,760 in 2008, I had to have them valued for probate. 371 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,240 And those together with another pair of earrings 372 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,800 were valued at something like £250. 373 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,840 Well, I would say at auction you'd be looking... 374 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,400 ..at this one, it's going to be around about... 375 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,120 ..£5,000. 376 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,760 You have got a diamond here that is about a carat, 377 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,400 over a carat and a half, nearly two carats. 378 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,120 These earrings here are also lovely. 379 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,840 The diamonds are really nice. 380 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,640 They're older-style diamonds. They're cushion-shaped diamonds. 381 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,280 They have a few little flaws there. 382 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,160 But again, together, this pair here 383 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,960 would be about £5,000. 384 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,480 Oops! LAUGHTER 385 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,800 So, collectively... 386 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,680 £10,000. That's amazing. Thank you very much. 387 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,360 That's a lovely surprise. 388 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,760 What started you collecting postcards? 389 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,720 I bought a box of junk at a house sale and it had some postcards in. 390 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,640 And they were different postcards, and they were varied. 391 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,440 And went to one or two antique shops and fairs 392 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,040 and I then started adding to them. Right. 393 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,440 How many have you got in total? Have you worked it out? 394 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,960 I suppose I must have about 3,000 cards. 395 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,280 Right. And this is just a small selection today? 396 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,160 Oh, yes. OK. Well, I'm intrigued. 397 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,640 We've selected just four. 398 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,560 This is your choice. 399 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520 I've allowed you to choose which four, haven't I? 400 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,720 Yes, you have. Yes, you have. 401 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600 So, tell me why you've chosen this one. 402 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Steinberg. I chose that because, well, 403 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,400 it was one of the first cards that I came across. 404 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,080 And the artist is called Steinberg? 405 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,080 Yes, yes. Swedish, I believe. 406 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,040 And it was a long time before I found any more of her cards, 407 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,720 but she went in the album, we started the album. 408 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,640 And she went in. So she's like a fairy princess, isn't she? 409 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,880 Yeah, she is. I think it's probably a religious festival, I would think. 410 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,920 OK. And then I saw the Shand ones. 411 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,320 They're rather cute. They are cute, there's no two ways about it. 412 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,560 You've got almost like a Pierrot, Pierrette. 413 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,600 And then we've got another postcard here which is...? 414 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,360 She looks a bit coy, doesn't she? She is looking coy. 415 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:55,040 And then we move, through a whole range of women here, 416 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,000 to this lady. 417 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,520 Who, now, forgive me, but I would put the word vamp against that lady. 418 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,280 Oh, yeah. I think so. Wouldn't you? 419 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,040 Yeah, I would. She's full of herself. Full of herself. 420 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,720 She has got a lot of confidence. 421 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,800 Yes, she has. And you've chosen that from a group of ladies. 422 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080 Let's just look at some of these ladies very briefly. 423 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,640 Right, let's just... 424 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,800 Well, we've got another coy lady there. 425 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,040 And then as we move down, I just love the fashions. 426 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,480 I mean, this is, 427 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,480 to anybody interested in fashion from the '20s, '30s... 428 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,880 They're beautiful. ..it's treasure, isn't it? 429 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,640 Absolute treasure. What's the price range? 430 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,440 I suppose I would expect to pay, even at the beginning, 431 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,280 I would have expected to pay a couple of pounds for them. 432 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,520 But... Whereas one or two in here I've paid £25 for. 433 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,080 Right. And it's all in between. 434 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,680 I mean, it depends on your person, 435 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,320 it depends on where you find them and what subject they are. 436 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,320 But it's not a king's ransom, is it? No. You've got, how many cards here? 437 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,520 About 100, I think. Oh, yeah, 438 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,880 there might be more than that, but there's at least 100. 439 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,120 I mean, and on that basis alone, 440 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,800 you know for a fact you've got at least 441 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,960 £1,000, if not £1,500, 442 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,640 within the pages of this album. 443 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,720 But, you know, the thing about that is, that's only money. 444 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,560 That's not the thing, is it? No, it's not. 445 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,080 Course it's not. The thing is, those are my collection. 446 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600 Yeah. I've collected those and... 447 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,560 ..I've had much pleasure over many years. 448 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,120 Good. Collecting's all about pleasure with a capital P. Yeah. 449 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,760 Well, looking at this... 450 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:42,000 ..cast crystal sculpture takes me to a little village I know very well 451 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,440 in southern Sweden called Boda. 452 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,120 But you know it from somewhere else? 453 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:52,480 Yes. Many years ago my first husband worked for a glass-and-China 454 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,640 importers, and they used to bring across 455 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:02,440 China and ordinary glasses, but also statues and other items. 456 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,440 And if they didn't sell within maybe two, three months, 457 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,840 the staff had a sale and they had a pick of whatever they wanted to have. 458 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,160 Gosh, I wish I was there! 459 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,640 And I think my husband purchased it, about 5p. 460 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,760 Because they just needed to clear the shelves. 461 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,640 Get the space. Yeah, keep the space for the next lot that came in. 462 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040 So I've had it for that long. 463 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Unfortunately, my first husband passed away. 464 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,760 But fortunately I have a new one. 465 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,000 Oh, your toy boy. Yes, my toy boy. 466 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,720 So it's always just been in the house and known as the Janus head. 467 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,160 The Janus head. Well, you got that bit right. 468 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,920 And it's out of Roman mythology where 469 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,880 it's a character that can look back into the past 470 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,560 and forward into the future. Yep. 471 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,200 I mean, the designer's name isn't difficult to find. 472 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,920 Nice and clear. Boda Tra. 473 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,560 Well, Boda's the name of the glassworks, 474 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,000 and "tra" means wood. 475 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Then it says, "form" - that's design in English - Bertil Wallien. 476 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,680 And then it says "made in Sweden". 477 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,880 Well, you don't need to be a genius to work out most of that. 478 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,440 Bertil, I know him really well. 479 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,360 He's in his... I suppose he's getting on for 80 now. 480 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,520 And he is, in my mind, 481 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,880 the most important glass designer 482 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,720 of the latter 20th into the 21st century. 483 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,800 You could get ten bob Bertil as well as 20,000 quid Bertil. 484 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,240 He had the common touch, and so, this piece, the Janus head, 485 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,840 was formed by pouring molten lead crystal into an open mould. 486 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,880 So, if you imagine getting some damp sand and pressing your hand into it, 487 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,480 taking it out, then filling that void with molten glass, 488 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,880 then you get a glass hand, believe it or not. 489 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,600 However, if you carve a form in graphite, probably, 490 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,880 and press it into this sand and then you pour crystal into it, 491 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,880 that's what you get. 492 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,960 And it's in really good nick. 493 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,280 I think the design is mid-'70s. 494 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,640 So, it was ten years old when it entered your house. 495 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,120 And, how much, 5p? 496 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,360 Something silly like that. 497 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,200 There isn't any left in there, is there? 498 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,520 LAUGHTER 499 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,520 I'm going in and finding it. 500 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,560 5p... Well, today, that's 200-300, and probably more like 300. 501 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,920 Wow. And I still think that's under priced. Thank you very much. 502 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,160 You're showing me a brilliant picture by William Conor, 503 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,160 the Belfast artist. 504 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,520 Where did it come from? 505 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,520 So, my mother-in-law bought it in the late '60s, 506 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640 soon after William Conor died. 507 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,840 And they were told by my sister-in-law to go to the exhibition and that it 508 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,000 would be really worthwhile buying some very nice pictures. 509 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,400 So they bought four pictures and that's one of them. 510 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,280 And it's called The New Dress. 511 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,520 It's such a lovely subject cos they're sisters, aren't they, 512 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,600 making their sister a beautiful new dress. 513 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,920 So, he dies in 1968, so this is probably... 514 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,160 I still think this goes back to the '20s or '30s, 515 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600 just based on the dress. 516 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,440 And it's drawn with wax crayon, 517 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840 which is something he used a great deal. 518 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,760 He also painted in oils. 519 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,960 But he really is one of the real lead artists 520 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,880 of Northern Ireland from that period. 521 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,080 This is a really good one. 522 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,200 Now, the Irish market's changed a little bit, but it is starting to come back up again. 523 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040 And... What did you pay for it? 524 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800 What did the family...? About £190, then. 525 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,760 So, £190 then, to £6,000-£8000 now. 526 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,760 Wow! Gosh, that's wonderful. 527 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,720 When I know that I'm coming to a Roadshow, I sit there and I think 528 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,040 to myself, "Oh, what medals would I like to see?" 529 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520 And at the top of my list... 530 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,240 ..is this one. 531 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,960 Right. Who was this gentleman, who owned these medals, to you? 532 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920 That was my grandad, Henry Hill. 533 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,720 He joined the Royal Navy in 1892 as an able seaman, 534 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,560 and retired in 1919 as Chief Petty Officer. 535 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,280 Did you know him? I did, very briefly, for about six years, yes. 536 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,560 Now, he has quite a spectacular set of medals, really, 537 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,160 because he has the Boer War medal. 538 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,640 Now, most people think of that as a sort of soldier's war, on land. 539 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,600 Yes. But if you remember, the Royal tournament, 540 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 when they used to do the gun run and take the gun apart and move it over 541 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,280 the chasms, that was mimicking the Royal Navy as they took their guns 542 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,880 apart from the ships, and took them overland to fight the Boers. 543 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,000 Ah, right. And that's what he was doing. 544 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,560 Then he fought in the First World War, 545 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,000 because he has the 1914-'15 Star, 546 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,840 the British war medal, and over here the victory medal. 547 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,200 Then, the Medaille Militaire. 548 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,280 That's a French medal which was a gallantry award. Yes. 549 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,680 You have the certificate, as well. 550 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960 Now, that was given to him because at one point during his career 551 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,360 he was a very brave sailor. 552 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,520 The one on the end is the Khedive's Sudan Medal, 553 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,400 so he's again in Africa and he's fighting in the Sudan. 554 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160 But the one that he has which starts him off 555 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,120 is the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal. 556 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200 What do you know about that medal? 557 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,280 He was at the helm of a landing craft in Gallipoli at Anzac. 558 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,920 And he was shot in the mouth with a bullet. 559 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,240 And all his teeth were shot out. 560 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,320 He went down below and he washed his mouth out and then insisted on 561 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,560 returning to the helm, where he stayed for the next two days. 562 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:02,040 So, the landing at Gallipoli is the first sort of D-Day, if you like. 563 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,800 Mm-hmm. And the most well-known, I suppose, 564 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,840 is the landing of the Australians at Anzac Cove. 565 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,000 And he's there on one of the landing craft. 566 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320 Now, they're not landing craft like World War II. They're just boats. 567 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,560 So when the guys landed the front didn't go down - 568 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,240 they had to jump out over the sides. 569 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,800 Oh, right, OK. So he's just coming in in a little sort of cutter thing, 570 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880 and he did it on the very first day of the landings, 571 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,360 the 25th of April 1915. Right. 572 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,720 During World War I, they gave 630 Victoria Crosses. 573 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Just to give you some idea how rare that thing is, 574 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,960 they gave out 110 for World War I. SHE GASPS 575 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,760 Gosh. So, when I said that there's some medals that I always want to see, 576 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400 wow, this is certainly one of them. Oh, wow. 577 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,320 This is a superb group of medals. 578 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200 Now, it's not worth the same as a Victoria Cross. 579 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,240 No. But it's worth an awful lot more than you would imagine it might be worth. 580 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,440 So the group that you have here today 581 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,360 is easily worth £10,000-£12,000. 582 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920 Gosh. Oh, wow. Thank you very much indeed. 583 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,760 Well, thank you for bringing Henry's medals. 584 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,400 He was a very brave lad. 585 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,720 It's that time of the programme when one of our experts throws down the 586 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,960 gauntlet, asking us to assess how the value of three similar-looking 587 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,880 antiques may have changed during the 40 years that the Roadshow's been on air. 588 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,640 And it looks rather like we're going to be taking tea, 589 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,080 because Lennox Cato, our furniture specialist, you've brought in three tea tables. 590 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240 And one of these over the last 40 years 591 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120 has gone up massively in value, 592 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000 one's more or less kept pace with inflation, 593 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,200 and one has actually gone down. 594 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,360 So, they look, on the face of it, rather similar. 595 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,520 So tell us about them. 596 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,880 If you imagine, back in the 18th century, there you are, 597 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,720 sitting in your lovely apartment, your elegant drawing-room, 598 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,720 and your friends came along. 599 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,800 And this table would be drawn out into the middle of the room 600 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,320 and dressed with tea caddies, silver, the silver teapot, 601 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840 and fine china from the Orient. 602 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,920 And, of course, as I say, tea was hugely expensive. 603 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560 And it was a peacock exercise. 604 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:32,080 So, really, the tables were just the foil to hold the other items. 605 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,600 But this was your chance to show off? 606 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,920 This was showing off. So you were showing off that you were having tea. 607 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,560 They look, on the face of it, rather similar, so tell me about each table. 608 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680 The similarities are that they're 18th century, 609 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840 they're of the Chippendale period. 610 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,600 Each of the tops are one piece of mahogany, 611 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,920 and they have this scalloped edge, or pie-crust edge. 612 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,000 They each have a carved column. 613 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200 They each have cabriole legs. 614 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,040 And they turn round. 615 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,720 This was the height of fashion. 616 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800 Should I assume that one of these is a genuine Chippendale 617 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040 and the other two are not, or is that giving away too much? 618 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,440 That's giving away too much. Chippendale, apparently... 619 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,160 That's it, then, isn't it, ladies and gentlemen? LAUGHTER 620 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Not necessarily by Thomas Chippendale himself, 621 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,800 but by somebody who worked with him and served him and others. 622 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,960 And so was an excellent craftsman in his own right. 623 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,880 Absolutely, yes. OK. 624 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,320 And, we have to bear in mind that Chippendale and the Georgian period, 625 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,360 it was all about restraint and elegance. 626 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:38,440 And it's where the embellishment begins and ends, is the problem. 627 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480 So, remembers the rule of the game. 628 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280 One of these has gone up a lot in value over 40 years, 629 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,760 one's more or less kept pace with inflation, 630 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,720 and one's actually gone down relative to inflation. 631 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,240 Anyone any ideas? 632 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,800 CROWD MEMBERS TALK AT ONCE 633 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,480 Hang on... Which? 634 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400 Whoa, whoa! Hang on a minute. 635 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,720 So, you think that one has gone up the most in value? 636 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,160 That one over there. 637 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,760 Now, you think this one over here. Well, that's not very helpful. 638 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,000 Right, we've got to look down here. 639 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120 Now this is very fancy, 640 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040 so I'm wondering if this is an embellishment too far. 641 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,840 Unless, Lennox, you are bowling us a googly there. 642 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,640 OK, shall we agree, if we're taking a hint from you, Lennox, 643 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,240 that this is too fancy? Yes. 644 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,120 LAUGHTER 645 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,080 Too fancy. 646 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,760 So, then, we've got these two. 647 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,400 Right, how many people think this one is the one that's gone up the most? 648 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,520 I think that one. And how many think this one? 649 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,920 OK. Right. 650 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640 LAUGHTER 651 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,520 So, we think this one has gone up most in value. 652 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080 This one has more or less kept pace with inflation. 653 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,200 And this one has gone down in value 654 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120 because it's so fancy, 655 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,960 and therefore could be a later embellished version. 656 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,320 You are so wrong. You are so wrong. 657 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,040 And you're so pleased about that, I know. 658 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,920 Absolutely. All right, then, so which is it? 659 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560 This is one of the best tables you will see, ever. 660 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,120 Ah, but I thought it was too fancy! 661 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,280 No. Well, it's by a royal cabinet-maker 662 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,760 and it's made for someone highly important. It's a one-off. 663 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,840 Chippendale drawings were fanciful. 664 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440 They were gilding the lily. 665 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480 And this is the lily which has been gilded. 666 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,960 I think he led us a bit astray there, don't you? 667 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,280 So, what was it worth 40 years ago? 668 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,440 Around £5,000. Now? 669 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,640 Over 100. Well in excess of 100. 670 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,480 Wow. So, which one has more or less kept pace with inflation? 671 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,240 That's kept pace. 672 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,520 That's still a good item, and it's retaining to still be a good item. 673 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,560 So, what's that worth these days? It's worth, today, £20,000. 674 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,400 Wow. 675 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,160 So, what about this one, then? 676 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,520 40 years ago... 677 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,320 300-500. 678 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,440 And now, maybe 1500. 679 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,200 We liked that one the best, didn't we? 680 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,760 Well, well done, Lennox. You tricked us all. 681 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,040 Well, most of us, anyway. 682 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,240 So, here we are in Helmingham Hall, 683 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,160 about - what is it? - 40 miles or so from the Newmarket, 684 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,440 the flat racing capital of the UK. 685 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520 And you've brought me a book about horses. 686 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520 Is it yours? What's the story behind it? 687 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,880 We represent two of four charities... 688 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,440 Right. ..who were fortunate enough to have been bequeathed this 689 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040 by a lady who died in the summer of last year. 690 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,640 Right. And we've just found out that this book exists, and we think it 691 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,040 might be rather special. And it's by... 692 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,920 If we just open up to the title page here. 693 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,800 It's by the well-known... 694 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,200 ..horse painter, if you like, George Stubbs, 695 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,040 painter. 696 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,440 And, as the title says, it's very clear, the Anatomy Of The Horse. 697 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,240 Published in London, 1766, 698 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,400 and it's a first edition of the Holy Grail of horse books, 699 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,600 essentially. Wow. You've got... 700 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,680 This is THE most important book about the anatomy of the horse... 701 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Amazing. ..really, ever published. 702 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160 So you've been left this lovely book. 703 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,760 And it's quite interesting, as well, 704 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,520 because the lady who left it, 705 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,760 actually, she used to love horses. 706 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,200 OK. And she used to have a flutter on horses every so often, 707 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,800 we understand. OK. 708 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,320 So, I wonder if she ever won and how she got hold of this book, 709 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,520 we don't know that. 710 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,000 We don't know, unfortunately. 711 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,720 No, we don't know, no. 712 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,000 OK. And this page is just a typical one of these 713 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,160 24 engravings that we have... 714 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,440 Wow! ..which show the skeletal... 715 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,360 ..content, if you like, of a horse, and the musculature, as well. 716 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,840 Really detailed. And this had never really 717 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,520 been done in such detail before 718 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,520 and that's why it's important. 719 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,880 OK. And Stubbs himself, having... 720 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,800 ..done the drawings from... 721 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,840 ..horses that were in his own studio, that he dissected... 722 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520 He didn't necessarily dissect, but these were dissected horses 723 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,400 that were in his studio. 724 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,520 He did these drawings from them. 725 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,640 He then sort of asked around his friends, 726 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,880 people that he knew, saying, 727 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,480 you know, would people make the engravings from these drawings? 728 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160 And nobody felt confident enough to do them justice, 729 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,520 so he then took it upon himself to do the engravings. 730 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,560 Took about six years to do them. 731 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,240 And this is the product of that work. 732 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,280 And it led... 733 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,920 ..from him being a sort of... 734 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,040 ..reasonably but not very well-known portrait painter, 735 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,480 to THE best known equine artist, if you like. 736 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,480 Amazing. Yeah. So, it's a key, key book, both from the... 737 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,760 ..you know, art history point of view, if you like, 738 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,040 and from the equine history point of view. 739 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,320 So, it has some value. OK. Fortunately. Good. 740 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,840 That's good news for charity. 741 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,880 Exactly. We want it to be as high as possible. 742 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,240 The problem is that the condition is not great. 743 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,280 OK, so, I've actually chosen two plates that are relatively clean, 744 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,520 but there is some quite bad 745 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,960 sort of browning, some foxing, some staining to them, 746 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840 and that does have a detrimental effect, I'm afraid. 747 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,400 OK. Yes. 748 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,880 But I think if it came up for sale at auction, I would say 749 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,080 10,000-15,000. 750 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,640 Wow. 751 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960 So, that's a nice sort of, 752 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,480 hopefully, 753 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,400 even if you share it between four charities, 754 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,520 that's a nice piece of money to go to all four charities. 755 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,720 It is, yes. 756 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,720 Thank you very much. Well, thank you. Thank you very much for bringing it. 757 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920 We get a lot of dogs coming to the Antiques Roadshow, 758 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,280 but not many people bring their cats. 759 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880 What made you bring your cat along today? 760 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,760 It's been in the family for at least 50 years. 761 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,360 My father worked for Doulton in the '50s in Lambeth 762 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,360 and he knew the person who designed the cat 763 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,520 and he was helping develop the glaze for it. 764 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,240 Of course, it's by Agnete Hoy, signed on the bottom. 765 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,960 It's marked Doulton, Lambeth, as well. 766 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,560 You know that as well as I do. 767 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,440 She was an interesting character, really. 768 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840 She never really got as famous 769 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,400 as other designers like Clarice Cliff or Susie Cooper. 770 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120 And she worked for a firm called Buller's in the 1930s 771 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,240 who made an electrical insulators. She set up an art department. 772 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,440 In the 1950s she came to Doulton, 773 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,880 quite towards the end of her career. 774 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,320 Has he got a name? No, he's just been known as "the cat" in the family. 775 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,320 It's always, you know, "Make sure you don't knock the cat over." 776 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,080 Well, he has got a name because it's actually Agnete Hoy's cat. 777 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,920 And he's called Alexander Pushkin, 778 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,680 I think after the writer. Yes. 779 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,240 Yes. But he's a really characterful model, 780 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,360 and I think you can tell when... 781 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,600 She was a sculptor, really, more than a ceramic designer. 782 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,280 Do you like him? Yes, I do. 783 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,800 I really like the look of his face 784 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,240 and actually I don't like cats but I do like this one. 785 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,680 So, you're a dog person? Definitely, yeah. OK. 786 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,760 It's a rare...model. 787 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,880 There was probably as few as 12 of them made. 788 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,800 And the only other one I've found come to market actually came from 789 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,320 Royal Doulton's own museum. OK. 790 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,160 Doulton has slipped back a little bit in value but this, 791 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,800 with his provenance from your father, 792 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,680 from Agnete Hoy to your father, to yourself, is immaculate. 793 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,960 And I think collectors would like that, as well. 794 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120 And the fact is they're not going to find another one. 795 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,280 So, if this did come to market, 796 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,160 we're going to be looking at between £3,000-4,000. 797 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,280 Good gracious. That's amazing. 798 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,480 Thank you very much. 799 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,360 So, this is proof, isn't it, that birds of a feather flock together? 800 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,280 They're all by Henry Stacy Marks, a Victorian watercolourist, 801 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,440 who actually preferred parrots to people. Right. 802 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,960 But I can tell why you like them from your shirt. 803 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,680 Yes, yeah. Passion for wildlife and I wanted to acquire a small 804 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,680 collection of original art on a budget. 805 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200 Found my first one on an online auction site 806 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,400 for a small amount of money, 807 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,440 and then built the collection from there, really. 808 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,040 Small amount of money... How much did you pay for these things? 809 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,760 The one closest to yourself was £25. 810 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,880 Tell me what kind of parrot this is. Is it a parrot? You're testing me now! 811 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040 I think so, or is that a black cockatoo? 812 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,440 Oh, right. I think they're still parrots. 813 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,200 And the ground parrot is the most expensive one, in the centre there. 814 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,760 He is gorgeous. Yes. 815 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,640 He was nearer the £300 mark. 816 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,440 Yeah. And then, really, anything between 100 and 200 for the other three. 817 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,520 So, say, 1,500 quid for the lot? 818 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,760 Yes. At the most. Yep. 819 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,360 Well, I have to say, that just is an illustration of how cheap some 820 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,000 Victorian watercolours have become, isn't it? 821 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,760 Cos Henry Stacy Marks was a really good Victorian watercolourist, 822 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,480 as I think you can tell - 823 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,200 at least, I think, from my two favourites, which are these. 824 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,480 Not quite so keen about Mr Vulture, here. 825 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,840 But Henry Stacy Marks spent a lot of time in London Zoo, 826 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,240 actually talking to the parrots. 827 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:11,640 Right. Yeah, he really did. 828 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,360 He was a famous practical joker, as well. 829 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,960 He had a very good sense of humour. 830 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,040 And I often think that he put that humour into these birds. 831 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,280 Definitely. Don't you think? 832 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,720 Yes. Real characters. Yeah, huge characters. 833 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,520 I mean, this one is almost, sort of, 834 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,400 he's about to speak to you, isn't it? 835 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,960 It's extraordinarily good, with the white, fluffing up the feathers, 836 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,800 and that sense, that beady sense, of self-satisfaction. 837 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,240 It's very like some human beings we know, you know? 838 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,680 It is extraordinarily clever. 839 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,000 Going into detail on this one, for example, 840 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,560 you can see that the way the beak is painted, it's so sharp, 841 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,680 you can just imagine he could crack any nut with it. 842 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,920 That beady eye. 843 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,120 The fluffy feathers. 844 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,480 It is so well observed, 845 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,360 it almost lives more than a real parrot. 846 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,840 It's something about that ability with animals, 847 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,280 that affinity with animals, that understanding of them, 848 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,960 that he is able to project their personality... 849 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,240 Yes. ..so powerfully. That's why he's successful. 850 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,560 It is not his technical skill, which is undeniable, 851 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840 but it's that psychological dimension that he gives them. 852 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,600 I think this one is the best. 853 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,960 If I was asked to value that, 854 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,240 which I am... LAUGHTER 855 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,160 ..I would put £400-600 on that. 856 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,360 Excellent. Any day. And this one I think is really good, as well. 857 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,280 I think at least 300-400 for that. 858 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,320 OK. The rest of them, not so sure, 859 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,960 but, you know, £200 each or something. 860 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,720 So, you've paid a total of about £1,500 for it, 861 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,240 but I can see that these, 862 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,360 were they marketed more strongly, they'll be worth about £3,000. 863 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,160 Right, excellent. I think you've done extremely well. 864 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,400 And you've got yourself a really good collection of Victorian 865 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,000 watercolours. Fantastic, thank you. They're terrific. 866 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,200 I was ten, living in North Gloucestershire, 867 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,000 and my parents were great friends of Arthur Negus. 868 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:07,160 And my father asked Arthur if he could find something that would be 869 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,960 special for my tenth birthday, and Arthur arrived at my home, 870 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,240 on my tenth birthday, with this writing slope. 871 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,480 Arthur Negus WAS the Antiques Roadshow, 872 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,720 and the Antiques Roadshow WAS Arthur Negus. Indeed. 873 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,120 He brought antiques into people's homes. 874 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,920 So, what's Arthur got you? Well, it's a piece of Tunbridge Ware, 875 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,360 so, made for the tourist market 876 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080 of Tunbridge Wells, about 1860, 1870, 877 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,920 and we have these oak garlands around this central picture of 878 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640 a half-timber building, made up of 879 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,160 tiny strips of different-coloured veneers. 880 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,240 It opens like that, and like that. 881 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,000 So, we've got the two inkwells, compartments for pens, 882 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,000 and this velvet-coloured writing slope, there. 883 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,240 If you were to go into a shop and try and buy something like this, 884 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,480 I don't think you'd have much change out of £400. 885 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,760 Really? Yes. Oh, I'd no idea. Oh, that's wonderful! 886 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,800 Bearing in mind we don't see very many 887 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,320 medieval swords on the Roadshow, how did you come by it? 888 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,720 I dug it up at All Saints Hotel in Bury St Edmunds, 889 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:30,080 and the British Museum took possession of it 890 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,600 after the conservation work. 891 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,680 That would account for the fact that 892 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,320 it is in this very robust box and it's been properly looked-after, 893 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,240 so that it is being conserved 894 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,120 and it's not being damaged by being touched 895 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,880 or anything else that would damage its incredible fragility. 896 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680 You mentioned it's come from the British Museum. 897 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,560 Have you brought it specially for us today? 898 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,480 Yeah, we went and collected it yesterday, 899 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,640 and we have to return it tomorrow, unfortunately. 900 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,280 We were excavating a pond and it came out from the bottom of the pond. 901 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,840 It was quite something to see, really. 902 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,560 It was like Excalibur when it came out. 903 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,200 I bet you felt like King Arthur. 904 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,360 I did a bit, yeah. Fantastic! 905 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,640 Why do you think it... 906 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,640 ..appeared in the bottom of that pond? 907 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560 Well, there was a battle - the Battle of Fornham 908 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,360 was fought on the golf course at the All Saints Hotel, 909 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560 and we believe that's when it went into the ground there. 910 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,760 When was Fornham fought? 911 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,360 It was 1173. 912 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,640 Right, so that is really very old. 913 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,520 Yeah, it was the Earl of Leicester and his mercenaries 914 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,480 trying to overthrow Henry II. 915 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,440 If it is from the area of a battlefield, and it is still there, 916 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,120 it suggests that it was probably thrown away, 917 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,440 and I can tell you that there can have been nothing more terrifying 918 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,760 than being in a medieval army that was routed and you were running, 919 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,840 you were throwing everything away that you could, 920 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,360 cos there was no Geneva Convention in those days, 921 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,000 there's no prisoners of war, 922 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,560 there was just a horrible and grisly death when somebody caught you. 923 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,480 Tell me, was the battle fought anywhere near swamps or anything like that? 924 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680 Yeah, it was a marshland. 925 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,280 Ah, well, I think somebody blundering through marsh, 926 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,040 really running, being hampered by a thing like that hanging on his waist, 927 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,880 he'd throw it away. Yeah, quite possibly. 928 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,080 Had it have been found on the battlefield with a dead person, 929 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,400 the local peasants would have had it away, 930 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,680 and a thing like that would be very, very valuable. 931 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,600 But when you look at it, 932 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,240 it's just a wonderful piece of very simple design, 933 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,400 which has no other function than for killing people. 934 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,520 It's a very, very long, thin, and probably, in its day, 935 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,160 ferociously sharp blade. 936 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,640 Do you know what the round thing on the end's for? 937 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,600 No. 938 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,480 It's a counterweight. 939 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,680 OK. It's quite a heavy thing, is a sword blade, 940 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,800 and so if you put a bit of weight behind it, it swings easier, 941 00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,120 but that's called the pommel. 942 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520 It's obviously very difficult to put a value on this, 943 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,480 because it is a wonderful medieval artefact. 944 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,040 You don't see very many of them, 945 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,080 they don't come up at auction every day. 946 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,560 I am flogging my brain to remember 947 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,280 what the last reasonably comparable one made, 948 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,760 and I believe it was sold by a German auction house 949 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,960 and I think it made £5,000 or £6,000. 950 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,440 That's not a lot of money for a thing as old as that. 951 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,600 And I think one thing you learn from that is that merely cos something 952 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,240 is old doesn't make it valuable. 953 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,280 I think, as a piece of historical evidence, it's just priceless. 954 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,680 Right, wow... Incredible. 955 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,800 Patek Philippe. You walk through Geneva airport, 956 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,200 you see it being advertised in all the magazines. 957 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,400 They are the premium wristwatch-makers 958 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,040 of the 21st century and the 20th century. 959 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,960 If you look at the top ten world record prices 960 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,640 for wristwatches, vintage wristwatches, today, 961 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,920 there isn't a gap for anyone other than Patek Philippe. 962 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,000 They start at something like £5 million 963 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,680 and they're still at number ten 964 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,160 and it goes, "Patek, Patek, Patek, Patek, Patek." 965 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,560 This watch was left to me by my father, 966 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,480 was left to him by his father. 967 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,240 This is the only photograph I have of my father and grandfather together. 968 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,320 So, this is your grandfather? 969 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,120 And my grandfather was called 970 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,840 Baron Von Stegmann, and he lived in Poland. 971 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,040 This is my father here, standing at the back. 972 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,080 And he was the junior shot in those days? 973 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,720 He certainly was. And they'd been hunting for wolves, 974 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,320 and they caught a few wolves, 975 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,840 and obviously a few foxes as well, at the bottom. 976 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,880 So, the middle one's an enormous wolf, isn't it? 977 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,720 It is. Absolutely vast. 978 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,560 When the war broke out, 979 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,440 my father was in eastern Poland and my grandfather was in Warsaw, 980 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,080 so eastern Poland got invaded by the Russians 981 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,560 and all the Poles were taken away 982 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,040 and sent to places like Siberia. 983 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,080 There was a long story after that, 984 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,560 which eventually ended up with my father coming to England 985 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,520 and working in the RAF. 986 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:10,160 In 1951, my grandfather died, and left the watch to my father, 987 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,480 who had to go and collect it from Warsaw, and he collected the watch. 988 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,800 Where was the watch at the time? 989 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520 Do you...? The watch was in Warsaw, in his father's house. 990 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,160 Really? Still there? It was still there, yeah. 991 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,440 Right. And he was concerned that in bringing it back to England, 992 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,680 he had to go through several border checks, 993 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,600 so he had to go through the 994 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,800 Poland-East Germany check, 995 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,600 and then the East Germany to West Germany check. 996 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,280 Very strict checkpoints, I would imagine. 997 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,880 They were terrible, apparently. 998 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,440 They would try and get whatever they could out of you. 999 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,480 Oh, so you had to bribe them to get through, sometimes? 1000 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,120 Well, that was risky, as well, cos you could obviously go to prison for 1001 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,920 bribery, so what he did, he decided to hide the watch, 1002 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,360 so he tied it to his underpants and it dangled in between his legs. 1003 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,280 LAUGHTER Men are used to these things! 1004 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400 I don't know how comfortable that could have been for him, 1005 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,000 but he succeeded in getting it back to England. 1006 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,440 No metal detectors in those days. 1007 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,880 No. It's a very beautiful, 18-carat gold Patek Philippe pocket watch. 1008 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,720 It's signed "Patek" on the movement and on the case. 1009 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,720 This pocket watch was made in around the 1870s. 1010 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,840 They were almost standard pocket watch-makers of the time, 1011 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960 of the premier division, but they weren't right up there at the very, 1012 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,560 very top. It was only really when they started making the very 1013 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,760 high-quality wristwatches that they made the name. 1014 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,760 It's got a bit of a crack on the dial, we notice there. 1015 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,720 What happened there? At the age of about 12, 1016 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,400 I decided I would take it to school to show my mates. 1017 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,320 And you can imagine what happened. Yeah. And I was pretty mortified. 1018 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,960 There's a bit of damage to it. 1019 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,960 There was. Well, it does affect the value 1020 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,600 to a certain extent, I'm afraid. 1021 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,280 Auction value seems rather paltry by comparison to the whole story. 1022 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,640 It's around £2,000-£3,000 at auction, that sort of level. 1023 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,360 Right. Yeah, great. Thank you very much, indeed. 1024 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,320 Thanks for bringing it along. Thanks. 1025 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560 Well, the sun has gone in, but the diamonds are still sparkling. 1026 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,400 Tell me about them. 1027 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:03,080 Well, I wore this for my wedding, which was over 50 years ago, 1028 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,600 and my uncle gave it to me about 30 years ago, 1029 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,000 and it's been... It's a family piece, and I love having it, 1030 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,200 and I just wanted to find out a bit more about it. 1031 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,720 Tell me about the provenance of you, 1032 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:18,440 cos this is really quite crucial to where we are going. 1033 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,200 Well, my uncle was somebody called Sir David Baird, 1034 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,360 and he lived in Scotland and he never married, 1035 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,080 and his direct ancestor was somebody called General Sir David Baird, 1036 00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,960 who fought in India for quite a long time 1037 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,720 and was in the Black Hole Of Calcutta. 1038 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:40,160 And also, he defeated somebody called Tipu Sahib 1039 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,000 at the Battle of Seringapatam, and I think, 1040 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,200 I don't know, but I feel that this came from there, 1041 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,960 because it's always been in our family since then. 1042 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,280 The Battle of Seringapatam is 1799, 1043 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,040 and it seems more than likely that your ancestor brought back 1044 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,640 these wonderful water white Indian diamonds from there, 1045 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,800 but did he bring anything else with him? 1046 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,800 Yes, he did. 1047 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,960 He brought swords and various other boxes and other pieces 1048 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,640 like that. But the only one that I have is this one. 1049 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,880 And also, the presence of these other relics would actually endorse 1050 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,200 the provenance that we've hinted at. 1051 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600 And it's stunning - a great, great find for me. 1052 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,480 Goodness! The shape of it is definitely Indian, isn't it? 1053 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,680 It's almost a peacock's feather, a Paisley form, 1054 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:35,000 and set in the centre are three beautiful water white diamonds, 1055 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,120 and the thing about the Battle of Seringapatam 1056 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,160 is that we know that diamonds were part of the booty there, 1057 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,280 because it's always been established with other families. 1058 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,320 And so there's more than a shade of credibility to all of this. 1059 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,520 We need to look a bit about how it's made. 1060 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640 The diamonds are set in silver, it's backed in gold. 1061 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,360 This is European work, but there seems to be a homage, 1062 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,200 a sort of Indian accent given to the centre here, 1063 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,720 and I think that that actually underwrites your provenance nicely. 1064 00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,280 And this is hugely significant in what comes next, really, 1065 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640 because there are some very enthusiastic 1066 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,320 collectors of Indian jewellery right now, 1067 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,200 and there was an exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum, 1068 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,760 of a one-man collection, 1069 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,280 of a Qatari prince, 1070 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,640 and it had carved spinels and 1071 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,840 emeralds and diamonds with provenance such as your own. 1072 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,680 And where Indian jewellery appears on the open market, 1073 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,240 it's in a league which - unprecedented league, really. 1074 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,720 I think this jewel would attract those collectors, 1075 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,680 those very specialised collectors, 1076 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,360 and perhaps one in particular, 1077 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,440 and that he'd be more than willing to give you, well, 1078 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000 £30,000 for your brooch. 1079 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,760 Help! 1080 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,920 Oh, dear! 1081 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,680 LAUGHTER 1082 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,000 Oh, dear! Well, I've given it to my daughter. 1083 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,640 LAUGHTER Well! 1084 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,600 So, it's not mine! "Too late!" she cried! 1085 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,120 No, wonderful. Thank you very much indeed. 1086 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,200 I'm absolutely thrilled. APPLAUSE 1087 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,160 Our day at the Antiques Roadshow is drawing to a close. 1088 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,120 You know, you can never be sure what the weather's going to throw at you, 1089 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,640 but today it's been gloriously sunny. 1090 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,680 So, what do you need for a day like this? 1091 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,760 Thank you very much. 1092 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,200 This is not just a hat. 1093 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,920 It's like a sun umbrella. 1094 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,920 Ah! Brought along by one of our visitors. 1095 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,120 What do we think? Beautiful. 1096 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,560 From the Antiques Roadshow, until next time, bye-bye. 1097 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,920 APPLAUSE