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This week the Antiques Roadshow
has arrived in Suffolk, a few miles
from Ipswich.
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Our venue?
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Well, you'd be hard pressed to find
a more enchanting building and
gardens.
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Helmingham Hall is the perfect
Tudor manor house,
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complete with its own moat and not
one but two working drawbridges.
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Since the house was built in 1510,
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every night the drawbridges
have been raised,
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and then every morning they've been
lowered again.
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It must have been a good way to keep
out robbers and marauders.
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I have to say, for me,
this is a first.
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There we go.
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Unlike many historic houses, this is
very much a private family home,
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and only the gardens are open to the
public.
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Since John Tollemache first
commissioned this building,
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20 successive generations of the
Tollemache family have lived here,
and continue to do so today.
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Helmingham is the ultimate in
16th-century style, with its oak
panelling
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and walls bristling with armour and
fearsome pikes.
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A fitting place to welcome a royal,
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and family legend has it that Queen
Elizabeth I did come here to visit.
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What's known for sure is that
Lionel Tollemache served his Queen
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fending off the Spanish in 1588.
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He stood with her at Tilbury,
ready to defend our shores
from the Armada.
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Walking around the house,
it does feel as though
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you're on the set of
a Tudor drama, like Wolf Hall.
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Faces of Tollemache family members
from the 16th century
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look down from almost every wall.
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And Elizabeth I even has
a presence here.
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This portrait was painted around
the time of the Spanish Armada
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in the 1580s,
at the height of her powers.
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That's not the only royal remnant,
though.
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Take a look at this.
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It looks like a lute but in actual
fact it's an orpharion -
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far more unusual -
with wire strings instead of gut.
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And it is believed to have been
a gift from Elizabeth I.
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Just look at the craftsmanship.
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Beautiful scallop shell on the back.
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It even has its maker's name
and mark -
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John Rose, dated 1580.
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Now, as far as anyone knows,
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this is the only 16th-century
orpharion still in existence.
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So, I think even our experts would
struggle to put a value on this.
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Let's see what other remarkable
finds come to light at today's
Antiques Roadshow,
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out in the gardens of
Helmingham Hall.
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Here we've got a really
over-the-top tea set.
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Do you know where it comes from?
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It belongs to my father-in-law.
Came down through his family.
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Yes. His grandfather, David Murdoch,
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was born in Finland in
the late 1860s, 1869.
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From a Jewish family.
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Family lived in Finland.
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He requested permission to get
married and wasn't given permission,
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and had to leave Finland,
so moved to St Petersburg.
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Yes. Where he became quite
a successful businessman.
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He had a mill and dealt in grain.
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And we sort of assume that that's
where it originated from.
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And he lived there until 1917 when
he was in danger of persecution,
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so had to escape from Russia
and went back to Finland...
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Right. ..in 1917.
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So, he brought this with him?
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We assume that he brought
that with him, yes.
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OK. Escaped with his five children,
back to Finland.
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Well, we might come back
to that bit in a moment.
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You're absolutely right.
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This is a Russian tea set
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made in silver
with silver-gilt borders.
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And covered - literally covered,
isn't it? - in amazing enamel.
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If we pick up one piece...
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..we can see it's got a maker's
mark here which is in Cyrillic.
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It actually reads to us "MC", but
that's the mark for Maria Seminova,
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one of the best makers and
enamellers of the late 19th century,
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very early 20th century.
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And this set dates from that period.
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It's typical of that style of work.
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But this is just extraordinary,
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the amount of work
that's gone into this.
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And what I particularly like is this
combination of monochrome enamel -
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we've got the solid green here -
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then we have the much more
subtle shaded enamel,
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and that's what gives
the whole thing
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a really beautiful, much more
exciting and subtle look.
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Now, it's very unusual, and I don't
ever recall seeing a tray
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with a tea set.
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And I'm astonished that there is no
particular damage to the tray.
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And I think it goes back to my
earlier comment
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that these things were so delicate
they were probably never used.
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And there's hardly
any sign of use on this.
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I shouldn't think
you've ever used it.
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I don't fancy using it, no.
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THEY LAUGH
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I don't think it has. It's been on
a dresser, displayed on a dresser.
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OK. So I don't think it has.
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Well, one of the things I'm
really anxious to know is,
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is there any chance that this set
could have been purchased in the
1970s?
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No. Absolutely none?
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No, my father-in-law remembers it
from his childhood.
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OK. He's in his mid-90s now.
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So, he remembers certainly his
parents having it.
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There's a very good reason
I asked that,
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because there were some tremendously
good fakes made in the 1970s.
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So I'm assuming that it's
absolutely genuine, 100% genuine.
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I should ask you, has anybody ever
looked at it and given you an
opinion?
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I think people have looked at it but
he's been told varying amounts,
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so we haven't had a proper
valuation, no. So, no idea.
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OK. How about £20,000?
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Oh, my goodness. Really?
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Wow!
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Gosh.
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Goodness. Thank you very much.
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Thank you. I shall have to phone him
and tell him.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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I don't know about you but the
intensity,
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that really, really hot colour,
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her gaze - it screams the 1920s
at you.
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The speed at which this
watercolour has been done
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gives this an energy and a drive
that makes me wonder,
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is it by Laura Knight?
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You think so? I do.
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I do. And I'm hoping you're going to
tell me that it is.
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Well, she, of course, you know,
painting between the wars,
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was fascinated by life behind the
scenes and the stage.
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Is that something that you're
interested in?
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It is, it is.
I used to work in the theatre.
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In Hampshire, actually,
in repertory.
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And I was at Alton in Hampshire
at an auction sale,
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and this was just in a pile
of things.
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And I just put in a bid.
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I could afford £20, so I put £21.50
on it.
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That's a good trick.
And that's what I got.
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That's what I got it for. Yes.
I think I recognise her.
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I'm sure that I've seen her before
in another picture
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and that you'll find out
who she is quite easily.
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Fantastic. In other words,
I think it is by Laura Knight.
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That's amazing.
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I'm so happy that you've said that,
because I absolutely love it.
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I adore it.
It's that gorgeous orange
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that she uses in her pictures
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that caught my eye,
and the freeness of it.
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And working in the theatre myself,
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that backstage moment is just
fabulous, and I love it.
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It hangs in my bedroom and it has
done since 1986.
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She's intense, she is passionate,
she's out there.
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She's engaged, she's fully
concentrating.
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These colours are extraordinary
together, aren't they?
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It's in fantastic condition.
It's hardly faded at all.
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I'm so excited that you think it is.
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No, I don't just think.
Actually, for once I'm certain.
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You're certain it is!
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That's fantastic. You can tell that
she's slipped behind the curtains.
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There she is, she's between scenes
or perhaps it's after the show -
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she looks quite tired, actually.
Yes, she does.
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And she's really done it quickly.
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And got her. Yes.
For ever, for us, for now.
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Exactly. Was she a singer,
was she a dancer?
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I don't know. Well, it won't
be hard to find out.
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I really think you've got to
make it a mission,
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cos it is a fascinating thing.
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OK. Anyway, all this amounts to
something like...
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..£4,000.
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Oh! That's fantastic.
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That's amazing. Thank you so much.
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I think that's wonderful.
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The drama and intrigue I see
in front of me,
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you really do have the box set.
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So, what's the story?
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A very early visit to
Snowshill Manor outside Broadway
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sort of got me interested
in antiques.
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And thereafter I was able to
convince my wife
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that actually as part of
our pension planning
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we should be investing in boxes,
and here we have some of them today.
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OK, so, really,
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I'm less of an antique expert today
and more of a financial planner?
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Absolutely. Or financial adviser.
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So much so that actually it's going
to determine whether I'm going to
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have an early retirement
or a late one.
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Oh, right. So, no pressure, then.
Yes. And, why boxes?
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It's partly social history,
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partly the way in which
they've been made
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and the era that they represent.
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Have you retained all of the pieces
you've bought or are you selling to
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upgrade? No, we tend not to sell
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which is hopefully a sign that,
as far as the family are concerned,
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that I've bought wisely.
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Everything that you see we've
collected over the years,
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we've added to. OK.
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I've singled these three out today.
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And if I go for this one first,
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this is what is commonly
known today as Essex Crystal.
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Connected to a gentleman
called William Essex
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who was well known for doing
sort of miniature enamel.
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But actually, there's no
connection to these sort of
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reverse intaglio crystals.
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But it's just a name
that's sort of stuck,
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and actually today they're
commonly known as Essex crystals.
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When you open it up you've got
a real little surprise inside.
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They've got this little strike
there, so this clearly is a vesta.
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And if I just come in here
we can see,
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we've got a date mark here
for London in 1882.
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Yep. And then we've got a
maker's mark here for TJ.
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Now, I think that's Thomas Johnson,
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who was making this type of box
in the 19th century.
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Moving on. The micro-mosaic.
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I mean, if we think, I suppose,
of mosaics, we think of the Romans.
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And then these micro-mosaics
were made in a glass
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and then later in Italy with enamel.
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A series of tiny pieces,
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all of these sections go together
to build up an image.
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And actually, I have to say it's
quite an unusual image, this.
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You know, the hen and the chicks.
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So, that's a very, very good thing.
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And this one, of course,
is in silver gilt.
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This is something that, I suppose,
somebody would have picked up
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on their sort of grand tour,
brought back,
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and then it was mounted as a box.
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Or it could have been a commission
or something like that.
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And then we open this one up
and we see in there
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we've got a maker's mark for TN.
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Now, I think that might be
Thomas Northcote,
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who was also a box-maker, as well.
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And, you know, why do I say Thomas
Northcote?
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Quality - you've got this wonderful
engine turning, great thing,
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lovely, lovely quality.
You know, looking at them,
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they range, really, from the sort of
18th and then into the 19th century.
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And then we come onto
a sort of a grand tour piece.
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This lovely sort of gilt casket.
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Again, quality. It's just...
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When you pick this one up, actually,
this one's just very, very tactile.
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You want to keep turning it around
and having it in your hand.
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It's got the wear consistent with
a lot of happy hands have held
that over the years.
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And you've got these
little malachite cameos
and the little figural ones
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that are on the side, as well.
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It's just such fabulous quality.
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And if I just open that lid,
you know,
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it just opens and closes
so beautifully
you want to keep doing it.
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It's a lovely thing.
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So, here I am today,
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charged with seeing whether or not
you've invested wisely over the
years.
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Together, I think,
if this came on the market,
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I think you'd be looking at a figure
somewhere between 25,000 and 35,000
today. Something like that.
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Excellent. Well, we're heading in
the right direction.
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Perfect. Thank you so much.
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Good, pleasure, thanks for
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bringing it in. It's a real treat.
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Well, it's a really
very beautiful little
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Chinese 18th-century porcelain bowl,
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but I want to know where you got it
from. From my mother-in-law.
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She received it as a wedding present
in 1947
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from an old boyfriend. Eh up!
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Took pride of place in her drawing
room, but my father-in-law hated it
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because he didn't approve
of the old boyfriend.
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The marks on the bottom read
"Da Qing Yongzheng nian zhi".
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Which roughly translates as
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"Made in the Yongzheng reign of the
great Qing Dynasty."
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Now, as a history teacher you should
know that the Yongzheng reign was
from...?
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1720 to 1740?
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Pretty good. 1723 to '35,
but that was pretty good.
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We'll give you that. So, it was made
in about 1730, give or take.
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It's a beautiful bowl.
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Interestingly, it's got this label
from Bluett and Son.
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Bluett and Son was one of the top
London dealerships for Chinese
porcelain,
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so this would have been an expensive
present.
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Yeah, very expensive. As far as the
value goes it's got a little
problem -
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it had a chip once which has now
been polished out.
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Yes. So, because of that, it's worth
now in the region of £500.
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Right, that's beautiful, though.
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Now, I'm looking at a rather strange
object, which is a sort of
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metal bowl on a wooden stand.
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And I'm going to play all my cards
at once and say,
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I haven't a clue what it is.
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So, tell me.
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It's a nose cone or spinner,
I believe they're called,
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from a Spitfire plane which crashed
landed, apparently, at RAF Hawkinge
in 1940.
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So, we're at the height of the
Battle of Britain.
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Battle of Britain time, yes,
exactly.
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And it was recovered and cut and
converted into a christening font
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for one of the staff
at the airfield's daughters.
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So, are we saying it was a one-off
for that christening,
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or did it become the font
for the chapel
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that would
have been at the airfield?
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I think if it was still at the
airfield when they shut it down
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it probably would have been used for
that purpose, yeah.
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Yes. And why have you got it?
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My father's cousin bought it at
auction in 1990 at an RAF auction
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for the benevolent fund, I think.
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And he left it in his will to my
late father.
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So it's come down through the
family.
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It all now makes sense. I mean,
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everybody can imagine what
a Spitfire looks like.
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You've got a three-bladed propeller
and you've got a pointy nose
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with a cover that, in a sense,
is aerodynamic.
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It also covers the gearing for the
variable pitch propellers
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that were in use at that time.
So, it's entirely functional.
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We've got a font made from a
Spitfire.
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Is it an important Spitfire
from the Battle of Britain?
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The auction catalogue of the time
attributed it to Sailor Malan,
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one of the famous aces.
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Did he crash land at Hawkinge?
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Not as far as I can tell from his
biography, no.
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Right. But somebody else did?
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Another pilot, yes, called
John Mungo Park, apparently,
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did crash land at Hawkinge. OK.
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It has a wonderful sort of
resonance, doesn't it?
Exactly, yeah.
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The idea of christening your child
in part of your plane... Yes.
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..works well. Absolutely.
Yes. So, what do you do with it?
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It has a cover.
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Like an occasional table, really,
or a drinks table,
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but it's not in daily use, really.
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Do you know what was paid?
I believe it was, in 1990,
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paid £580, which was almost double
the reserve.
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I mean, when you think of the
thousands of Spitfires that were
scrapped at
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the end of the war, this could have
come from one of those.
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Exactly. Yes. But if you can tie it
into that story...
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..it's great. I'll have a go.
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And I think therefore on that basis
the price was perfectly reasonable.
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You know, with a famous piece
from a famous plane
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flown by a famous pilot...
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..why not £1,000?
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You know, to an enthusiast.
Thank you very much.
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Do you know, when you came you had
this box and you said...
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There was all this costume
jewellery,
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and you were saying to me,
"It's here somewhere,
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"I can't find it."
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Then eventually everything was
costume jewellery
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except for these bits.
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Lovely. But then,
as soon as I saw these bits
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you brought out these fabulous
photographs.
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So, please tell me who these
people are.
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Well, this is my grandmother and my
aunt,
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who was ten years older than my
mother.
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There's my grandmother
here and grandfather.
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He was a leather merchant
in the First World War.
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And I understand
he was quite wealthy.
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Well, you can tell that they
obviously have taste and style
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because you can see the jewellery
that they're wearing
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and that's what's so wonderful,
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is that it's bringing these jewels
to life. Yeah.
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These earrings, in fact, if I hold
them up to that picture there,
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they're identical.
That is the same pair.
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Yes, I think so. Which is just
absolutely fabulous.
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Now, these have Austrian hallmarks,
why would that be?
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They lived in Vienna.
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My mother came here in 1936.
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My aunt came here in the beginning
of '39.
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My suspicion is that these were
probably hidden in my aunt's clothes
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as she came here for safety.
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And I remember my mother in the
'90s,
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when my aunt passed away, saying,
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"Look at these,
these are my nest egg."
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So they've been kept very safe
ever since.
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Now, there's a difference
in period here
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because these are about 1890,
that sort of period.
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This necklace here is 1900.
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It's made of platinum -
two very different styles.
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This is a beautiful delicate
platinum necklace which, in fact,
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this would be later than the
photographs that we've got here.
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The necklace is platinum.
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It's made in about 1900.
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It's set with this beautiful
diamond here,
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and with this lovely milgrain
setting around the outside of it,
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and that's very indicative of
the 1900s, of this period,
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of the Edwardian period.
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Very delicate and very light
material, platinum is.
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And that allows the diamonds to
shine,
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and the metal just facilitates the
diamonds.
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Whereas, because this is
slightly earlier, of 1890,
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this is before platinum came out,
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so the earrings here are made
with gold and silver.
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And the diamonds are still pretty
lovely, I must say.
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Now, you've had these all valued,
haven't you?
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Well, when my father died...
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in 2008, I had to have them valued
for probate.
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And those together with another pair
of earrings
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were valued at something like £250.
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Well, I would say at auction you'd
be looking...
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..at this one, it's going to be
around about...
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..£5,000.
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You have got a diamond here that is
about a carat,
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over a carat and a half,
nearly two carats.
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These earrings here are also lovely.
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The diamonds are really nice.
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They're older-style diamonds.
They're cushion-shaped diamonds.
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They have a few little flaws there.
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But again, together, this pair here
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would be about £5,000.
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Oops!
LAUGHTER
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So, collectively...
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£10,000. That's amazing.
Thank you very much.
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00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,360
That's a lovely surprise.
388
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,760
What started you collecting
postcards?
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I bought a box of junk at a house
sale and it had some postcards in.
390
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,640
And they were different postcards,
and they were varied.
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And went to one or two antique shops
and fairs
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and I then started adding to them.
Right.
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00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,440
How many have you got in total?
Have you worked it out?
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00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,960
I suppose I must have about
3,000 cards.
395
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,280
Right. And this is just a small
selection today?
396
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,160
Oh, yes. OK. Well, I'm intrigued.
397
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,640
We've selected just four.
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This is your choice.
399
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520
I've allowed you to choose which
four, haven't I?
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Yes, you have. Yes, you have.
401
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,600
So, tell me why you've chosen this
one.
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00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320
Steinberg. I chose that because,
well,
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00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,400
it was one of the first cards that
I came across.
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00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,080
And the artist is called Steinberg?
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00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,080
Yes, yes. Swedish, I believe.
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And it was a long time before
I found any more of her cards,
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but she went in the album,
we started the album.
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00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,640
And she went in. So she's like a
fairy princess, isn't she?
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00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,880
Yeah, she is. I think it's probably
a religious festival, I would think.
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00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,920
OK. And then I saw the Shand ones.
411
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They're rather cute. They are cute,
there's no two ways about it.
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You've got almost like a Pierrot,
Pierrette.
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00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,600
And then we've got another postcard
here which is...?
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She looks a bit coy, doesn't she?
She is looking coy.
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And then we move, through a whole
range of women here,
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to this lady.
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Who, now, forgive me, but I would
put the word vamp against that lady.
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00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,280
Oh, yeah. I think so. Wouldn't you?
419
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,040
Yeah, I would. She's full of
herself. Full of herself.
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She has got a lot of confidence.
421
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Yes, she has. And you've chosen that
from a group of ladies.
422
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080
Let's just look at some of these
ladies very briefly.
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Right, let's just...
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Well, we've got another coy lady
there.
425
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,040
And then as we move down, I just
love the fashions.
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00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,480
I mean, this is,
427
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,480
to anybody interested in fashion
from the '20s, '30s...
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They're beautiful. ..it's treasure,
isn't it?
429
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,640
Absolute treasure.
What's the price range?
430
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,440
I suppose I would expect to pay,
even at the beginning,
431
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I would have expected to pay
a couple of pounds for them.
432
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,520
But... Whereas one or two in here
I've paid £25 for.
433
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,080
Right. And it's all in between.
434
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,680
I mean, it depends on your person,
435
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,320
it depends on where you find them
and what subject they are.
436
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,320
But it's not a king's ransom, is it?
No. You've got, how many cards here?
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About 100, I think. Oh, yeah,
438
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there might be more than that,
but there's at least 100.
439
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,120
I mean, and on that basis alone,
440
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,800
you know for a fact you've got at
least
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£1,000, if not £1,500,
442
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,640
within the pages of this album.
443
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But, you know, the thing about that
is, that's only money.
444
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That's not the thing, is it?
No, it's not.
445
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Course it's not. The thing is,
those are my collection.
446
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600
Yeah. I've collected those and...
447
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,560
..I've had much pleasure
over many years.
448
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,120
Good. Collecting's all about
pleasure with a capital P. Yeah.
449
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,760
Well, looking at this...
450
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..cast crystal sculpture takes me to
a little village I know very well
451
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in southern Sweden called Boda.
452
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,120
But you know it from somewhere else?
453
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:52,480
Yes. Many years ago my first husband
worked for a glass-and-China
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importers,
and they used to bring across
455
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:02,440
China and ordinary glasses,
but also statues and other items.
456
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,440
And if they didn't sell within maybe
two, three months,
457
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the staff had a sale and they had
a pick of whatever they wanted to
have.
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Gosh, I wish I was there!
459
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,640
And I think my husband purchased it,
about 5p.
460
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,760
Because they just needed to clear
the shelves.
461
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,640
Get the space. Yeah, keep the space
for the next lot that came in.
462
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So I've had it for that long.
463
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,560
Unfortunately, my first husband
passed away.
464
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But fortunately I have a new one.
465
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,000
Oh, your toy boy.
Yes, my toy boy.
466
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So it's always just been in the
house and known as the Janus head.
467
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The Janus head.
Well, you got that bit right.
468
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,920
And it's out of Roman mythology
where
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00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,880
it's a character that can look back
into the past
470
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,560
and forward into the future. Yep.
471
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,200
I mean, the designer's name
isn't difficult to find.
472
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,920
Nice and clear. Boda Tra.
473
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,560
Well, Boda's the name of the
glassworks,
474
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,000
and "tra" means wood.
475
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Then it says, "form" - that's design
in English - Bertil Wallien.
476
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,680
And then it says "made in Sweden".
477
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,880
Well, you don't need to be a genius
to work out most of that.
478
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,440
Bertil, I know him really well.
479
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,360
He's in his... I suppose he's
getting on for 80 now.
480
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,520
And he is, in my mind,
481
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,880
the most important glass designer
482
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,720
of the latter 20th into the
21st century.
483
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,800
You could get ten bob Bertil as well
as 20,000 quid Bertil.
484
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,240
He had the common touch, and so,
this piece, the Janus head,
485
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,840
was formed by pouring molten lead
crystal into an open mould.
486
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,880
So, if you imagine getting some damp
sand and pressing your hand into it,
487
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,480
taking it out, then filling that
void with molten glass,
488
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,880
then you get a glass hand,
believe it or not.
489
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,600
However, if you carve a form
in graphite, probably,
490
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,880
and press it into this sand and then
you pour crystal into it,
491
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,880
that's what you get.
492
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,960
And it's in really good nick.
493
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,280
I think the design is mid-'70s.
494
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,640
So, it was ten years old
when it entered your house.
495
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,120
And, how much, 5p?
496
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,360
Something silly like that.
497
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,200
There isn't any left in there,
is there?
498
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,520
LAUGHTER
499
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,520
I'm going in and finding it.
500
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,560
5p... Well, today, that's 200-300,
and probably more like 300.
501
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,920
Wow. And I still think that's under
priced. Thank you very much.
502
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,160
You're showing me a brilliant
picture by William Conor,
503
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,160
the Belfast artist.
504
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,520
Where did it come from?
505
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,520
So, my mother-in-law bought it
in the late '60s,
506
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640
soon after William Conor died.
507
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,840
And they were told by my
sister-in-law to go to the
exhibition and that it
508
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,000
would be really worthwhile buying
some very nice pictures.
509
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,400
So they bought four pictures
and that's one of them.
510
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,280
And it's called The New Dress.
511
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,520
It's such a lovely subject cos
they're sisters, aren't they,
512
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,600
making their sister a beautiful
new dress.
513
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,920
So, he dies in 1968,
so this is probably...
514
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,160
I still think this goes back to the
'20s or '30s,
515
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600
just based on the dress.
516
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,440
And it's drawn with wax crayon,
517
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840
which is something he used a great
deal.
518
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,760
He also painted in oils.
519
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,960
But he really is one of the real
lead artists
520
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,880
of Northern Ireland
from that period.
521
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,080
This is a really good one.
522
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,200
Now, the Irish market's changed a
little bit, but it is starting to
come back up again.
523
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,040
And... What did you pay for it?
524
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800
What did the family...?
About £190, then.
525
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,760
So, £190 then, to £6,000-£8000 now.
526
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,760
Wow! Gosh, that's wonderful.
527
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,720
When I know that I'm coming to a
Roadshow, I sit there and I think
528
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,040
to myself, "Oh, what medals
would I like to see?"
529
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520
And at the top of my list...
530
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,240
..is this one.
531
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,960
Right. Who was this gentleman,
who owned these medals, to you?
532
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,920
That was my grandad, Henry Hill.
533
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,720
He joined the Royal Navy in 1892
as an able seaman,
534
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:18,560
and retired in 1919 as
Chief Petty Officer.
535
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Did you know him? I did, very
briefly, for about six years, yes.
536
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Now, he has quite a spectacular set
of medals, really,
537
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,160
because he has the Boer War medal.
538
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Now, most people think of that as
a sort of soldier's war, on land.
539
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Yes. But if you remember,
the Royal tournament,
540
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280
when they used to do the gun run and
take the gun apart and move it over
541
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,280
the chasms, that was mimicking the
Royal Navy as they took their guns
542
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,880
apart from the ships, and took them
overland to fight the Boers.
543
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Ah, right. And that's what he was
doing.
544
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Then he fought in the First World
War,
545
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,000
because he has the 1914-'15 Star,
546
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,840
the British war medal, and over here
the victory medal.
547
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,200
Then, the Medaille Militaire.
548
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,280
That's a French medal which was
a gallantry award. Yes.
549
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,680
You have the certificate, as well.
550
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960
Now, that was given to him because
at one point during his career
551
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,360
he was a very brave sailor.
552
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,520
The one on the end is the
Khedive's Sudan Medal,
553
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,400
so he's again in Africa and he's
fighting in the Sudan.
554
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160
But the one that he has
which starts him off
555
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,120
is the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal.
556
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200
What do you know about that medal?
557
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,280
He was at the helm of a landing
craft in Gallipoli at Anzac.
558
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,920
And he was shot in the mouth
with a bullet.
559
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,240
And all his teeth were shot out.
560
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,320
He went down below and he washed his
mouth out and then insisted on
561
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,560
returning to the helm, where he
stayed for the next two days.
562
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:02,040
So, the landing at Gallipoli is the
first sort of D-Day, if you like.
563
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,800
Mm-hmm. And the most well-known,
I suppose,
564
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,840
is the landing of the Australians
at Anzac Cove.
565
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,000
And he's there on one of the
landing craft.
566
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Now, they're not landing craft like
World War II. They're just boats.
567
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,560
So when the guys landed the front
didn't go down -
568
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,240
they had to jump out over the sides.
569
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,800
Oh, right, OK. So he's just coming
in in a little sort of cutter thing,
570
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,880
and he did it on the very first day
of the landings,
571
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,360
the 25th of April 1915. Right.
572
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,720
During World War I, they gave 630
Victoria Crosses.
573
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Just to give you some idea
how rare that thing is,
574
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,960
they gave out 110 for World War I.
SHE GASPS
575
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,760
Gosh. So, when I said that there's
some medals that I always want to
see,
576
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,400
wow, this is certainly one of them.
Oh, wow.
577
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,320
This is a superb group of medals.
578
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200
Now, it's not worth the same
as a Victoria Cross.
579
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,240
No. But it's worth an awful lot more
than you would imagine it might be
worth.
580
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,440
So the group that
you have here today
581
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,360
is easily worth £10,000-£12,000.
582
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Gosh. Oh, wow.
Thank you very much indeed.
583
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,760
Well, thank you for bringing
Henry's medals.
584
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,400
He was a very brave lad.
585
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,720
It's that time of the programme when
one of our experts throws down the
586
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,960
gauntlet, asking us to assess how
the value of three similar-looking
587
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,880
antiques may have changed during the
40 years that the Roadshow's been
on air.
588
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,640
And it looks rather like we're going
to be taking tea,
589
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,080
because Lennox Cato,
our furniture specialist,
you've brought in three tea tables.
590
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240
And one of these over the last 40
years
591
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,120
has gone up massively in value,
592
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000
one's more or less kept pace with
inflation,
593
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,200
and one has actually gone down.
594
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,360
So, they look, on the face of it,
rather similar.
595
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,520
So tell us about them.
596
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,880
If you imagine, back in the 18th
century, there you are,
597
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,720
sitting in your lovely apartment,
your elegant drawing-room,
598
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,720
and your friends came along.
599
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,800
And this table would be drawn out
into the middle of the room
600
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,320
and dressed with tea caddies,
silver, the silver teapot,
601
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
and fine china from the Orient.
602
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,920
And, of course, as I say, tea was
hugely expensive.
603
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560
And it was a peacock exercise.
604
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:32,080
So, really, the tables were just
the foil to hold the other items.
605
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,600
But this was your chance
to show off?
606
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,920
This was showing off. So you were
showing off that you were having
tea.
607
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,560
They look, on the face of it,
rather similar,
so tell me about each table.
608
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680
The similarities are
that they're 18th century,
609
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,840
they're of the Chippendale period.
610
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,600
Each of the tops are one piece of
mahogany,
611
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,920
and they have this scalloped edge,
or pie-crust edge.
612
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,000
They each have a carved column.
613
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
They each have cabriole legs.
614
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,040
And they turn round.
615
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,720
This was the height of fashion.
616
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,800
Should I assume that one of these is
a genuine Chippendale
617
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,040
and the other two are not,
or is that giving away too much?
618
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,440
That's giving away too much.
Chippendale, apparently...
619
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,160
That's it, then, isn't it,
ladies and gentlemen?
LAUGHTER
620
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,880
Not necessarily by Thomas
Chippendale himself,
621
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,800
but by somebody who worked with him
and served him and others.
622
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,960
And so was an excellent craftsman in
his own right.
623
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Absolutely, yes. OK.
624
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,320
And, we have to bear in mind that
Chippendale and the Georgian period,
625
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,360
it was all about restraint
and elegance.
626
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:38,440
And it's where the embellishment
begins and ends, is the problem.
627
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480
So, remembers the rule of the game.
628
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,280
One of these has gone up a lot
in value over 40 years,
629
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,760
one's more or less kept pace with
inflation,
630
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,720
and one's actually gone down
relative to inflation.
631
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,240
Anyone any ideas?
632
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,800
CROWD MEMBERS TALK AT ONCE
633
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Hang on... Which?
634
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400
Whoa, whoa! Hang on a minute.
635
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,720
So, you think that one
has gone up the most in value?
636
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,160
That one over there.
637
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,760
Now, you think this one over here.
Well, that's not very helpful.
638
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Right, we've got to look down here.
639
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Now this is very fancy,
640
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,040
so I'm wondering if this is
an embellishment too far.
641
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,840
Unless, Lennox, you are bowling
us a googly there.
642
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,640
OK, shall we agree, if we're taking
a hint from you, Lennox,
643
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,240
that this is too fancy? Yes.
644
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,120
LAUGHTER
645
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,080
Too fancy.
646
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,760
So, then, we've got these two.
647
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,400
Right, how many people think this
one is the one that's gone up the
most?
648
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,520
I think that one.
And how many think this one?
649
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,920
OK. Right.
650
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,640
LAUGHTER
651
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,520
So, we think this one has gone up
most in value.
652
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,080
This one has more or less kept pace
with inflation.
653
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,200
And this one has gone down in value
654
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,120
because it's so fancy,
655
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,960
and therefore could be a later
embellished version.
656
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,320
You are so wrong.
You are so wrong.
657
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,040
And you're so pleased about that,
I know.
658
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Absolutely. All right,
then, so which is it?
659
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,560
This is one of the best tables
you will see, ever.
660
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,120
Ah, but I thought it was too fancy!
661
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,280
No. Well, it's by a royal
cabinet-maker
662
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,760
and it's made for someone highly
important. It's a one-off.
663
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,840
Chippendale drawings were fanciful.
664
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440
They were gilding the lily.
665
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,480
And this is the lily which has been
gilded.
666
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,960
I think he led us a bit astray
there, don't you?
667
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,280
So, what was it worth 40 years ago?
668
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,440
Around £5,000. Now?
669
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Over 100. Well in excess of 100.
670
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Wow. So, which one has more or less
kept pace with inflation?
671
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,240
That's kept pace.
672
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,520
That's still a good item, and it's
retaining to still be a good item.
673
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,560
So, what's that worth these days?
It's worth, today, £20,000.
674
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,400
Wow.
675
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,160
So, what about this one, then?
676
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,520
40 years ago...
677
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,320
300-500.
678
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,440
And now, maybe 1500.
679
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,200
We liked that one the best,
didn't we?
680
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,760
Well, well done, Lennox.
You tricked us all.
681
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,040
Well, most of us, anyway.
682
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,240
So, here we are in Helmingham Hall,
683
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,160
about - what is it? - 40 miles or so
from the Newmarket,
684
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,440
the flat racing capital of the UK.
685
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520
And you've brought me
a book about horses.
686
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Is it yours?
What's the story behind it?
687
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,880
We represent two of four
charities...
688
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,440
Right. ..who were fortunate enough
to have been bequeathed this
689
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,040
by a lady who died in the summer of
last year.
690
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,640
Right. And we've just found out that
this book exists, and we think it
691
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,040
might be rather special.
And it's by...
692
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,920
If we just open up to the title page
here.
693
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,800
It's by the well-known...
694
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,200
..horse painter, if you like,
George Stubbs,
695
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,040
painter.
696
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,440
And, as the title says, it's very
clear, the Anatomy Of The Horse.
697
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,240
Published in London, 1766,
698
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,400
and it's a first edition of the
Holy Grail of horse books,
699
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,600
essentially. Wow. You've got...
700
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,680
This is THE most important book
about the anatomy of the horse...
701
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Amazing. ..really, ever published.
702
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160
So you've been left
this lovely book.
703
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,760
And it's quite interesting, as well,
704
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,520
because the lady who left it,
705
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,760
actually, she used to love horses.
706
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,200
OK. And she used to have a flutter
on horses every so often,
707
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,800
we understand. OK.
708
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,320
So, I wonder if she ever won
and how she got hold of this book,
709
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,520
we don't know that.
710
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,000
We don't know, unfortunately.
711
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,720
No, we don't know, no.
712
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,000
OK. And this page is
just a typical one of these
713
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,160
24 engravings that we have...
714
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,440
Wow! ..which show the skeletal...
715
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,360
..content, if you like, of a horse,
and the musculature, as well.
716
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,840
Really detailed.
And this had never really
717
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,520
been done in such detail before
718
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,520
and that's why it's important.
719
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,880
OK. And Stubbs himself, having...
720
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,800
..done the drawings from...
721
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,840
..horses that were in his own
studio, that he dissected...
722
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
He didn't necessarily dissect,
but these were dissected horses
723
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,400
that were in his studio.
724
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,520
He did these drawings from them.
725
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,640
He then sort of asked
around his friends,
726
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,880
people that he knew, saying,
727
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,480
you know, would people make the
engravings from these drawings?
728
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160
And nobody felt confident
enough to do them justice,
729
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,520
so he then took it upon himself
to do the engravings.
730
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,560
Took about six years to do them.
731
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,240
And this is the product
of that work.
732
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,280
And it led...
733
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,920
..from him being a sort of...
734
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,040
..reasonably but not very
well-known portrait painter,
735
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:49,480
to THE best known
equine artist, if you like.
736
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,480
Amazing. Yeah. So, it's
a key, key book, both from the...
737
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,760
..you know, art history
point of view, if you like,
738
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,040
and from the equine history
point of view.
739
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,320
So, it has some value. OK.
Fortunately. Good.
740
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,840
That's good news for charity.
741
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,880
Exactly. We want it to be as high
as possible.
742
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,240
The problem is that the condition
is not great.
743
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,280
OK, so, I've actually chosen two
plates that are relatively clean,
744
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,520
but there is some quite bad
745
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,960
sort of browning, some foxing,
some staining to them,
746
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,840
and that does have a detrimental
effect, I'm afraid.
747
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,400
OK. Yes.
748
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,880
But I think if it came up for
sale at auction, I would say
749
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,080
10,000-15,000.
750
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Wow.
751
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,960
So, that's a nice sort of,
752
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,480
hopefully,
753
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,400
even if you share it between four
charities,
754
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,520
that's a nice piece of money
to go to all four charities.
755
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:45,720
It is, yes.
756
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,720
Thank you very much.
Well, thank you. Thank you
very much for bringing it.
757
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920
We get a lot of dogs coming to the
Antiques Roadshow,
758
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,280
but not many people
bring their cats.
759
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,880
What made you
bring your cat along today?
760
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,760
It's been in the family for at least
50 years.
761
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,360
My father worked for Doulton
in the '50s in Lambeth
762
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,360
and he knew the person
who designed the cat
763
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,520
and he was helping
develop the glaze for it.
764
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,240
Of course, it's by Agnete Hoy,
signed on the bottom.
765
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,960
It's marked Doulton,
Lambeth, as well.
766
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,560
You know that as well as I do.
767
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,440
She was an interesting
character, really.
768
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840
She never really got as famous
769
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,400
as other designers like
Clarice Cliff or Susie Cooper.
770
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120
And she worked for a firm
called Buller's in the 1930s
771
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,240
who made an electrical insulators.
She set up an art department.
772
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,440
In the 1950s she came to Doulton,
773
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,880
quite towards the end of her career.
774
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,320
Has he got a name? No, he's just
been known as "the cat" in the
family.
775
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,320
It's always, you know, "Make sure
you don't knock the cat over."
776
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,080
Well, he has got a name because
it's actually Agnete Hoy's cat.
777
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,920
And he's called Alexander Pushkin,
778
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,680
I think after the writer. Yes.
779
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,240
Yes. But he's a really
characterful model,
780
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,360
and I think you can tell when...
781
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,600
She was a sculptor, really,
more than a ceramic designer.
782
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,280
Do you like him? Yes, I do.
783
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,800
I really like the look of his face
784
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,240
and actually I don't like cats but I
do like this one.
785
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,680
So, you're a dog person?
Definitely, yeah. OK.
786
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,760
It's a rare...model.
787
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,880
There was probably as few as
12 of them made.
788
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,800
And the only other one I've found
come to market actually came from
789
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,320
Royal Doulton's own museum. OK.
790
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,160
Doulton has slipped back a little
bit in value but this,
791
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,800
with his provenance
from your father,
792
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,680
from Agnete Hoy to your father,
to yourself, is immaculate.
793
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,960
And I think collectors would like
that, as well.
794
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120
And the fact is they're not going to
find another one.
795
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,280
So, if this did come to market,
796
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,160
we're going to be looking at
between £3,000-4,000.
797
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,280
Good gracious. That's amazing.
798
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Thank you very much.
799
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,360
So, this is proof, isn't it, that
birds of a feather flock together?
800
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,280
They're all by Henry Stacy Marks,
a Victorian watercolourist,
801
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,440
who actually preferred parrots to
people. Right.
802
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,960
But I can tell why you like them
from your shirt.
803
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Yes, yeah. Passion for wildlife
and I wanted to acquire a small
804
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,680
collection of original art
on a budget.
805
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,200
Found my first one on an online
auction site
806
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,400
for a small amount of money,
807
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,440
and then built the collection from
there, really.
808
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Small amount of money... How much
did you pay for these things?
809
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,760
The one closest to yourself was £25.
810
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,880
Tell me what kind of parrot this is.
Is it a parrot? You're testing me
now!
811
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,040
I think so, or is that a black
cockatoo?
812
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,440
Oh, right. I think they're still
parrots.
813
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,200
And the ground parrot is the most
expensive one, in the centre there.
814
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,760
He is gorgeous. Yes.
815
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,640
He was nearer the £300 mark.
816
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,440
Yeah. And then, really, anything
between 100 and 200 for the other
three.
817
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,520
So, say, 1,500 quid for the lot?
818
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,760
Yes. At the most. Yep.
819
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,360
Well, I have to say, that just is an
illustration of how cheap some
820
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,000
Victorian watercolours have become,
isn't it?
821
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,760
Cos Henry Stacy Marks was a really
good Victorian watercolourist,
822
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,480
as I think you can tell -
823
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,200
at least, I think, from my two
favourites, which are these.
824
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,480
Not quite so keen about Mr Vulture,
here.
825
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,840
But Henry Stacy Marks spent a lot of
time in London Zoo,
826
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,240
actually talking to the parrots.
827
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:11,640
Right. Yeah, he really did.
828
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,360
He was a famous practical joker,
as well.
829
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,960
He had a very good sense of humour.
830
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,040
And I often think that he put
that humour into these birds.
831
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,280
Definitely. Don't you think?
832
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,720
Yes. Real characters.
Yeah, huge characters.
833
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,520
I mean, this one is almost, sort of,
834
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,400
he's about to speak
to you, isn't it?
835
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,960
It's extraordinarily good, with the
white, fluffing up the feathers,
836
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,800
and that sense, that beady sense,
of self-satisfaction.
837
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,240
It's very like some human beings
we know, you know?
838
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,680
It is extraordinarily clever.
839
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,000
Going into detail on this one,
for example,
840
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,560
you can see that the way the beak
is painted, it's so sharp,
841
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,680
you can just imagine he could crack
any nut with it.
842
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,920
That beady eye.
843
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,120
The fluffy feathers.
844
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,480
It is so well observed,
845
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,360
it almost lives more than a real
parrot.
846
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,840
It's something about that ability
with animals,
847
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,280
that affinity with animals,
that understanding of them,
848
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,960
that he is able to project their
personality...
849
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,240
Yes. ..so powerfully.
That's why he's successful.
850
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,560
It is not his technical skill,
which is undeniable,
851
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,840
but it's that psychological
dimension that he gives them.
852
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,600
I think this one is the best.
853
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,960
If I was asked to value that,
854
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,240
which I am...
LAUGHTER
855
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,160
..I would put £400-600 on that.
856
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,360
Excellent. Any day. And this one I
think is really good, as well.
857
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,280
I think at least 300-400 for that.
858
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,320
OK. The rest of them, not so sure,
859
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,960
but, you know, £200 each
or something.
860
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,720
So, you've paid a total of about
£1,500 for it,
861
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:35,240
but I can see that these,
862
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:39,360
were they marketed more strongly,
they'll be worth about £3,000.
863
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,160
Right, excellent. I think you've
done extremely well.
864
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,400
And you've got yourself a really
good collection of Victorian
865
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,000
watercolours. Fantastic, thank you.
They're terrific.
866
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,200
I was ten, living in
North Gloucestershire,
867
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,000
and my parents were great friends of
Arthur Negus.
868
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:07,160
And my father asked Arthur if he
could find something that would be
869
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,960
special for my tenth birthday,
and Arthur arrived at my home,
870
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,240
on my tenth birthday,
with this writing slope.
871
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,480
Arthur Negus WAS the
Antiques Roadshow,
872
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,720
and the Antiques Roadshow
WAS Arthur Negus. Indeed.
873
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:26,120
He brought antiques
into people's homes.
874
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,920
So, what's Arthur got you? Well,
it's a piece of Tunbridge Ware,
875
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,360
so, made for the tourist market
876
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,080
of Tunbridge Wells,
about 1860, 1870,
877
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,920
and we have these oak garlands
around this central picture of
878
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
a half-timber building, made up of
879
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,160
tiny strips of
different-coloured veneers.
880
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,240
It opens like that, and like that.
881
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,000
So, we've got the two inkwells,
compartments for pens,
882
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,000
and this velvet-coloured writing
slope, there.
883
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,240
If you were to go into a shop and
try and buy something like this,
884
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,480
I don't think you'd have much change
out of £400.
885
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,760
Really? Yes. Oh, I'd no idea.
Oh, that's wonderful!
886
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,800
Bearing in mind we don't see
very many
887
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,320
medieval swords on the Roadshow,
how did you come by it?
888
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,720
I dug it up at All Saints Hotel
in Bury St Edmunds,
889
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:30,080
and the British Museum
took possession of it
890
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,600
after the conservation work.
891
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,680
That would account for the fact that
892
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,320
it is in this very robust box and
it's been properly looked-after,
893
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,240
so that it is being conserved
894
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:42,120
and it's not being
damaged by being touched
895
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,880
or anything else that would damage
its incredible fragility.
896
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
You mentioned it's come
from the British Museum.
897
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,560
Have you brought it specially
for us today?
898
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,480
Yeah, we went and collected it
yesterday,
899
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,640
and we have to return it tomorrow,
unfortunately.
900
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,280
We were excavating a pond and it
came out from the bottom of the
pond.
901
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,840
It was quite something to see,
really.
902
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,560
It was like Excalibur when it came
out.
903
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,200
I bet you felt like King Arthur.
904
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,360
I did a bit, yeah. Fantastic!
905
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,640
Why do you think it...
906
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,640
..appeared in the bottom
of that pond?
907
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,560
Well, there was a battle -
the Battle of Fornham
908
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,360
was fought on the golf course
at the All Saints Hotel,
909
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560
and we believe that's when it
went into the ground there.
910
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,760
When was Fornham fought?
911
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,360
It was 1173.
912
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Right, so that is really very old.
913
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,520
Yeah, it was the Earl of Leicester
and his mercenaries
914
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,480
trying to overthrow Henry II.
915
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,440
If it is from the area of a
battlefield, and it is still there,
916
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,120
it suggests that it was
probably thrown away,
917
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,440
and I can tell you that there can
have been nothing more terrifying
918
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,760
than being in a medieval army that
was routed and you were running,
919
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,840
you were throwing everything
away that you could,
920
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,360
cos there was no Geneva
Convention in those days,
921
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,000
there's no prisoners of war,
922
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,560
there was just a horrible and grisly
death when somebody caught you.
923
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,480
Tell me, was the battle fought
anywhere near swamps or anything
like that?
924
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,680
Yeah, it was a marshland.
925
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,280
Ah, well, I think somebody
blundering through marsh,
926
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,040
really running,
being hampered by a thing
like that hanging on his waist,
927
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,880
he'd throw it away.
Yeah, quite possibly.
928
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,080
Had it have been found on the
battlefield with a dead person,
929
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,400
the local peasants
would have had it away,
930
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,680
and a thing like that would be very,
very valuable.
931
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,600
But when you look at it,
932
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,240
it's just a wonderful piece
of very simple design,
933
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,400
which has no other function than
for killing people.
934
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,520
It's a very, very long, thin,
and probably, in its day,
935
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,160
ferociously sharp blade.
936
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Do you know what the round thing on
the end's for?
937
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,600
No.
938
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,480
It's a counterweight.
939
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,680
OK. It's quite a heavy thing,
is a sword blade,
940
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,800
and so if you put a bit of weight
behind it, it swings easier,
941
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,120
but that's called the pommel.
942
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520
It's obviously very difficult to put
a value on this,
943
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,480
because it is a wonderful
medieval artefact.
944
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,040
You don't see very many of them,
945
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,080
they don't come up
at auction every day.
946
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,560
I am flogging my brain to remember
947
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,280
what the last reasonably
comparable one made,
948
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,760
and I believe it was sold by a
German auction house
949
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,960
and I think it made
£5,000 or £6,000.
950
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,440
That's not a lot of money for
a thing as old as that.
951
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,600
And I think one thing you learn from
that is that merely cos something
952
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,240
is old doesn't make it valuable.
953
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,280
I think, as a piece of historical
evidence, it's just priceless.
954
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,680
Right, wow... Incredible.
955
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,800
Patek Philippe. You walk through
Geneva airport,
956
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,200
you see it being advertised in all
the magazines.
957
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,400
They are the premium
wristwatch-makers
958
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,040
of the 21st century and the 20th
century.
959
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,960
If you look at the top ten
world record prices
960
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,640
for wristwatches, vintage
wristwatches, today,
961
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,920
there isn't a gap for anyone other
than Patek Philippe.
962
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,000
They start at something
like £5 million
963
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,680
and they're still at number ten
964
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,160
and it goes, "Patek, Patek, Patek,
Patek, Patek."
965
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,560
This watch was left to me by my
father,
966
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,480
was left to him by his father.
967
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,240
This is the only photograph I have
of my father and grandfather
together.
968
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,320
So, this is your grandfather?
969
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,120
And my grandfather was called
970
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,840
Baron Von Stegmann,
and he lived in Poland.
971
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,040
This is my father here,
standing at the back.
972
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,080
And he was the junior shot in those
days?
973
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,720
He certainly was. And they'd been
hunting for wolves,
974
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:31,320
and they caught a few wolves,
975
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,840
and obviously a few foxes as well,
at the bottom.
976
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,880
So, the middle one's
an enormous wolf, isn't it?
977
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,720
It is. Absolutely vast.
978
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,560
When the war broke out,
979
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,440
my father was in eastern Poland and
my grandfather was in Warsaw,
980
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,080
so eastern Poland got invaded by the
Russians
981
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,560
and all the Poles were taken away
982
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,040
and sent to places like Siberia.
983
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,080
There was a long story after that,
984
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,560
which eventually ended up with my
father coming to England
985
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,520
and working in the RAF.
986
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:10,160
In 1951, my grandfather died,
and left the watch to my father,
987
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,480
who had to go and collect it from
Warsaw, and he collected the watch.
988
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,800
Where was the watch at the time?
989
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Do you...? The watch was in Warsaw,
in his father's house.
990
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,160
Really? Still there?
It was still there, yeah.
991
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,440
Right. And he was concerned that
in bringing it back to England,
992
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,680
he had to go through several
border checks,
993
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,600
so he had to go through the
994
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:29,800
Poland-East Germany check,
995
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,600
and then the East Germany to
West Germany check.
996
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,280
Very strict checkpoints,
I would imagine.
997
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,880
They were terrible, apparently.
998
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,440
They would try and get whatever they
could out of you.
999
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,480
Oh, so you had to bribe them to get
through, sometimes?
1000
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Well, that was risky, as well, cos
you could obviously go to prison for
1001
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,920
bribery, so what he did, he decided
to hide the watch,
1002
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:50,360
so he tied it to his underpants and
it dangled in between his legs.
1003
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,280
LAUGHTER
Men are used to these things!
1004
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400
I don't know how comfortable that
could have been for him,
1005
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,000
but he succeeded in getting it back
to England.
1006
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,440
No metal detectors in those days.
1007
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,880
No. It's a very beautiful, 18-carat
gold Patek Philippe pocket watch.
1008
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,720
It's signed "Patek" on the movement
and on the case.
1009
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,720
This pocket watch was made in around
the 1870s.
1010
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,840
They were almost standard pocket
watch-makers of the time,
1011
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,960
of the premier division, but they
weren't right up there at the very,
1012
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,560
very top. It was only really when
they started making the very
1013
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,760
high-quality wristwatches
that they made the name.
1014
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,760
It's got a bit of a crack on the
dial, we notice there.
1015
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,720
What happened there?
At the age of about 12,
1016
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,400
I decided I would take it to school
to show my mates.
1017
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,320
And you can imagine what happened.
Yeah. And I was pretty mortified.
1018
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,960
There's a bit of damage to it.
1019
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,960
There was. Well, it does affect
the value
1020
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,600
to a certain extent, I'm afraid.
1021
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,280
Auction value seems rather paltry
by comparison to the whole story.
1022
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,640
It's around £2,000-£3,000 at
auction, that sort of level.
1023
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,360
Right. Yeah, great. Thank you very
much, indeed.
1024
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,320
Thanks for bringing it along.
Thanks.
1025
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,560
Well, the sun has gone in, but the
diamonds are still sparkling.
1026
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,400
Tell me about them.
1027
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:03,080
Well, I wore this for my wedding,
which was over 50 years ago,
1028
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,600
and my uncle gave it to me about 30
years ago,
1029
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,000
and it's been... It's a family
piece, and I love having it,
1030
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,200
and I just wanted to find out a bit
more about it.
1031
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,720
Tell me about the provenance of you,
1032
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:18,440
cos this is really quite crucial
to where we are going.
1033
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,200
Well, my uncle was somebody called
Sir David Baird,
1034
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,360
and he lived in Scotland and he
never married,
1035
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,080
and his direct ancestor was somebody
called General Sir David Baird,
1036
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,960
who fought in India for quite
a long time
1037
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,720
and was in the Black Hole Of
Calcutta.
1038
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:40,160
And also, he defeated somebody
called Tipu Sahib
1039
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,000
at the Battle of Seringapatam,
and I think,
1040
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,200
I don't know, but I feel that this
came from there,
1041
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,960
because it's always been in our
family since then.
1042
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,280
The Battle of Seringapatam is 1799,
1043
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,040
and it seems more than likely that
your ancestor brought back
1044
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,640
these wonderful water white
Indian diamonds from there,
1045
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,800
but did he bring anything else
with him?
1046
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,800
Yes, he did.
1047
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,960
He brought swords and various
other boxes and other pieces
1048
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:13,640
like that. But the only one
that I have is this one.
1049
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,880
And also, the presence of these
other relics would actually endorse
1050
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,200
the provenance that we've hinted at.
1051
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600
And it's stunning - a great,
great find for me.
1052
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,480
Goodness! The shape of it is
definitely Indian, isn't it?
1053
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,680
It's almost a peacock's feather,
a Paisley form,
1054
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:35,000
and set in the centre are three
beautiful water white diamonds,
1055
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,120
and the thing about
the Battle of Seringapatam
1056
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,160
is that we know that diamonds
were part of the booty there,
1057
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,280
because it's always been established
with other families.
1058
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,320
And so there's more than a shade
of credibility to all of this.
1059
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,520
We need to look a bit about how
it's made.
1060
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
The diamonds are set in silver,
it's backed in gold.
1061
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,360
This is European work, but there
seems to be a homage,
1062
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,200
a sort of Indian accent given to the
centre here,
1063
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,720
and I think that that actually
underwrites your provenance nicely.
1064
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,280
And this is hugely significant
in what comes next, really,
1065
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640
because there are some very
enthusiastic
1066
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,320
collectors of Indian jewellery
right now,
1067
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,200
and there was an exhibition at the
Victoria and Albert Museum,
1068
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,760
of a one-man collection,
1069
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,280
of a Qatari prince,
1070
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,640
and it had carved spinels and
1071
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,840
emeralds and diamonds with
provenance such as your own.
1072
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,680
And where Indian jewellery appears
on the open market,
1073
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,240
it's in a league which -
unprecedented league, really.
1074
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,720
I think this jewel would attract
those collectors,
1075
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,680
those very specialised collectors,
1076
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,360
and perhaps one in particular,
1077
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,440
and that he'd be more than willing
to give you, well,
1078
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000
£30,000 for your brooch.
1079
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,760
Help!
1080
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,920
Oh, dear!
1081
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,680
LAUGHTER
1082
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,000
Oh, dear! Well, I've given it
to my daughter.
1083
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,640
LAUGHTER
Well!
1084
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,600
So, it's not mine!
"Too late!" she cried!
1085
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,120
No, wonderful.
Thank you very much indeed.
1086
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,200
I'm absolutely thrilled.
APPLAUSE
1087
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,160
Our day at the Antiques Roadshow
is drawing to a close.
1088
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,120
You know, you can never be sure what
the weather's going to throw at you,
1089
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,640
but today it's been gloriously
sunny.
1090
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,680
So, what do you need for a day like
this?
1091
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,760
Thank you very much.
1092
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,200
This is not just a hat.
1093
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,920
It's like a sun umbrella.
1094
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,920
Ah! Brought along by one of our
visitors.
1095
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,120
What do we think? Beautiful.
1096
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,560
From the Antiques Roadshow,
until next time, bye-bye.
1097
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,920
APPLAUSE