My hair OK? It's not flying around in funny directions?
As you know, I am a woman of colour. Yes.
Yes. I am the daughter of immigrants.
I am a Muslim. I am a feminist.
I am a leftie liberal.
Um... (LAUGHS)
I wouldn't have ever guessed. I see your face.
And what I want to ask you is 'Am I your enemy?'
You're not subjectively my enemy.
But what you are promoting
will lead to the disappearance of my people and my culture.
And I will tell you this.
It annoys me tremendously when I am told by some immigrant or a child of immigrants
that the only reason my country is worthwhile is because people like them have come here.
It's as if to say my ancestors built a dung heap.
And I don't doubt your goodwill.
But your goodwill is going to lead objectively to the oblivion of my people.
I'm sorry, there is no other way to see it.
My name is Deeyah Khan.
I'm an activist and film maker.
When I was six years old,
my father took me to my first rally against racism and fascism.
I grew up in Norway.
Where white skinhead gangs terrorised our small Muslim community.
My father told us things would change.
But extremism and racism are on the rise again in Europe and America.
I decided to meet people who think the white race is under threat.
And that I am their enemy.
Fuck you! Get a heart attack, nigger!
I met neo-Nazis.
Jews and homosexuals, they should be exterminated. Every single one of them!
History will decide who is superior.
White power!
Men who say they've lived lives of racist violence.
Nigger, prepare to burn. You attacked our people and now it's your turn.
I've hurt people...horrifically with my bare hands.
I've been to prison. I've kidnapped people.
I've harmed people.
I've done things that you would think I'm insane.
And I sat down with the new leaders of the white nationalist movement.
Men from privileged and elite backgrounds.
We did it. We took it.
We took it with force.
We won.
Shame on all of you! Shame!
I joined the extremists on the frontlines of the race wars in America.
I wanted to see if I could understand their anger.
To get to know the personal reasons why they are drawn to such hatred and division.
Fuck you!
In the summer of 2016,
the BBC interviewed me about living in a multicultural society.
The fact of the matter is, the UK is never going to be white again.
We're together going to have to find out
what does it mean to build a society that includes all of us.
To my shock, this interview went viral.
And I received a deluge of hate emails
from people across Europe and America.
But I've decided not to hide.
I've decided to try to meet the kind of people who sent me this abuse.
I want to try to get behind the hatred and the extremist ideology
to find out what they are really like as human beings.
I'm starting in Charlottesville, Virginia.
It's a quiet town which, in the weeks ahead,
will find itself at the centre of America's growing racial tensions.
The Klu Klux Klan have received permission to march
in protest at the removal of Confederate statues.
Waiting for them are other protestors.
Back away!
(CHANTING)
(BELLS AND WHISTLES)
I want to talk to the KKK,
but I can't get close to them.
I do talk to the counter-protestors.
This is the result of what happens
when you put an idiot in the White House.
It's going to take people willing to sit down and listen to each other.
To actually have a meaningful dialogue with reach other.
There's some people that you just can't reach.
I accept that. I understand that.
But those who you can have a possibility of saving,
you have to at least try.
There may be some glimmer of hope.
I don't know where it is.
But I know that we've got to start somewhere.
The rally finishes.
But more far-right protests are expected at Charlottesville in the months to come.
A week later, an important far-right leader has agreed to meet me.
Sieg Heil!
Jeff Schoep leads the biggest neo-Nazi organisation in America.
Cultural invasion from Mexico!
And every other Third World cesspool that's coming here
to try to overrun our borders!
The National Socialist Movement reveres Hitler.
And until recently, their symbol was the swastika.
For the first time ever in my life,
I am about to meet a neo-Nazi.
Hello. Hello.
Come on in.
I didn't bring any tags.
So I just assumed...
You don't have to use it.
It's your film.
I'm Jeff Schoep, commander of the National Socialist Movement.
We're a white civil rights organisation here in America. We're white nationalists.
Just as Martin Luther King did for the blacks,
our mission is pretty much the same.
We feel that the white race in general,
in fact, Western civilisation in general,
is under a full assault.
A lot of statistics are saying that
the whites are going to be a minority here in this country.
Our stance is that we'd like a homeland of our own for white people.
He says his movement is growing.
Partly, he says, because of Donald Trump.
A lot of the things that he was saying,
build a wall, stop illegal immigration,
bring back American jobs,
he was saying a lot of things from our playbook, that we've been saying for years.
We've been kind of on the fringes for a long time.
With our talking points finally appearing in the White House,
nationalism has become more mainstream.
Jeff hates the idea of multiculturalism.
He thinks it's part of a plot against the white race.
I think it goes back to the Zionists and the Jews.
Jews control all the media.
And they're pushing this agenda
that we should all mix together.
I think it's to dumb down the population.
And to make us easier to control.
What if you're wrong?
Do you ever question yourself?
Think 'What if all of this that I'm doing, and all of this that I think,
what if it's wrong?'
It doesn't really come into play very often in my head.
I really haven't questioned if I'm doing the wrong thing.
I read somewhere that you read Mein Kampf.
At the age of 13? Very, very young.
What would attract a teenager
to the ideology of Mein Kampf?
Do you remember what kind of feelings you had?
Hm...
This is a long time ago!
But it's an important point in your life.
It set the course for you sitting here today.
My mind is wandering right now.
I think I'm kind of getting burned out on the questions.
OK. Or something.
I ask if I can read him the threatening emails I received.
'Hey, swamp nigger. You're going back.
Get out of whitey world, you leeching slag, shit-skinned cunt.'
What does shit-skin mean?
Just what it says, I guess.
Your fellow travellers, would they call me a mud person?
Some might say that.
Yeah?
'This vicious little creature must be crushed beneath our boots until nothing remains.'
Would you condemn it? Um...
It's easier said than done.
I discourage any illegal activity.
Which would include making threats to people.
I understand people's anger.
I understand where it's coming from.
When a people feels that they're being genocided
and that their whole world is changing around them,
I understand why people have those reactions.
Jeff says I can come and film with them at their next event.
Would I be safe, just walking up as a shit-skin?
Why do you keep saying that?
You don't like it? You don't like me saying that?
No?
I join Jeff at their next event.
They're taking part in the biggest far-right rally in recent years.
And it's going to be back in Charlottesville.
The 14 words is 'We must secure the existence of our race and a future for white children.'
And 88?
HH.
Which stands for? Heil Hitler.
That's right.
This is our PR director,
Brian Culpepper. Hello.
Good to meet you. I'm Deeyah. Ma'am.
The NSM is trying to soften its image
and appeal to a wider public.
So they're removing the swastikas from their shields.
Far-right groups from all over the country
are converging for the event.
I'm the only outsider that the NSM have allowed to accompany them here.
Gentlemen, come join us!
This is the greatest assemblage of white identitarians I personally have everseen.
(WHOOPING)
We are the forces of light in civilisation.
We are fighting against the forces of darkness.
We're about a mile away from the park where the event is scheduled to happen.
To get there, they are going to walk the gauntlet of angry locals
and anti-fascist protestors.
(WHOOPING)
(CHEERING)
(WHISTLES)
(CHANTING)
Shame on all of you! Shame!
Shame! Shame!
You fucking suck!
You suck!
(WHISTLES)
Some anti-fascist protestors, the so-called ANTIFA,
use pepper spray against the marchers.
Including me.
Did you get hit with something? Mace?
You got water.
What could be better than a little pepper spray in the morning?
Thirty yards away from us,
open violence breaks out between the far-right and counter-protestors.
(SHOUTING)
A state of emergency is declared.
And the entire protest is cleared.
..immediately, you will be arrested!
You too.
(SHOUTING)
I'll knock your ass off!
I'm gonna get you! Yeah, you think so, bitch!
Fuck you! Get a heart attack, nigger!
(MONKEY NOISES)
(SIRENS)
I knocked the guy out. He pushed me, so I hit him with Thor's hammer here.
He shoved me.
It was declared an illegal assembly by the Commonwealth of Virginia.
They ordered us to disperse.
They're run by Jews.
(SIRENS)
My voice is gone because I was shouting in jubilation.
For our rights.
Protecting our civil rights.
And how proud I am that everyone showed up today.
And how brave they are.
While they celebrate, a mile away from us...
..this happens.
(SCREAMING)
(THUDS)
Anti-racist protestor Heather Heyer
is killed by a car driven by a far-right protestor.
(SCREAMING)
The brutal killing of Heather
and the extreme violence of the protest
means Charlottesville makes headlines around the world.
It's a few weeks after the rally.
I've travelled to Detroit to meet Jeff in his home city.
Hey, how are you? Good, how are you?
Good.
In the aftermath of Charlottesville,
President Trump has made a statement.
Saying there were very fine people on both sides of the protests.
I think there's blame on both sides.
I have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either.
(QUESTIONS) And... And...
It's caused a political storm.
But energised the neo-Nazis.
The president did finally condemn white supremacists.
But Jeff tells me that Trump's political rhetoric
addresses the same social and economic anxieties of white people as the far right.
Donald Trump was elected in this country
because of some of the things that he was saying.
The nationalist points got him elected.
My generation is the first generation
that had it worse off than our parents before us.
Here, you're going to see some of the urban decay.
Why do you want me to see this specific area?
Look around you. It's sad.
It's definitely a sad...
A sad sight.
You notice in this area, you've got all these abandoned buildings.
Sort of like a ghost town. Why did you move to Detroit?
Perfect recruitment grounds for the NSM.
Any time you're in an area where the economy is suffering,
it's somewhere that our message resonates with the people.
So Detroit is an excellent city for us to be in.
Jeff says many of his followers think jobs are going abroad.
Or are being taken by immigrants.
Others are former soldiers
who feel forgotten and abandoned by the country they've served.
At my last meeting with Jeff,
I decide to show him something.
It's a photo of me with my father,
taken at an anti-extremism rally
when I was six years old.
That's my dad.
Wow. That's me.
People who represent what you represent
made a six-year-old child feel hated.
And unwanted. Unwelcome.
Ugly.
The movement that you are a part of...
..has this type of real-life effect on people like me.
How does it make you feel?
Uncomfortable. I don't like it.
You don't like it.
I don't think anybody should have to feel like that.
What we stand for is not about oppressing anybody.
It's not about hurting anybody. I don't like hearing that sort of thing.
Unless that's all the movement is,
unless skin colour is all that matters,
maybe all the politics and all the social and economic issues
are just window-dressing to be racist.
That's not true.
So the issues are more important than the skin colour.
I think so. But -
You think so? But we are still a whites-only organisation.
You're not going to convince me different.
Wow.
(SHOT)
I'm in the mountains of Tennessee.
I'm filming with the biggest neo-Nazi organisation in America.
The National Socialist Movement.
This is a training session at the home of their public relations director Brian Culpepper.
We are training defensive techniques for our people
in the case of ANTIFA or leftist attack.
We fight for our women and our kids
and our family and our community.
And we just want to be left alone.
They better be prepared for a fight.
A very violent and bloody one.
Do you think there's going to be a race war?
As far as I'm concerned, it's started already.
Charlottesville was probably the...
..the spirit of battle.
You feel that? I do.
I think they're testing us to see what we have.
How many of us?
How willing we are to...
..march in through the valley of potential death.
This is Mike Schloer.
He's a former military contractor.
And is the longest-serving member.
I've had my share of trials and tribulations throughout my life
that I have overcome.
And conquered, as far as my own inner demons go.
What kind of inner demons do you have?
Just past experiences.
Being over there in Iraq for a couple years.
It's taken a toll on me.
Seeing the mortars coming down
and people getting blown up and dismembered.
And screaming for help.
Then seeing the destruction that they'd cause.
I used to wake up in the middle of the night, cold sweats,
shaking, thinking I'm still over there.
But it... I still carry it with me.
The day ends with Brian practising
taking a faceful of pepper spray.
Up yours, ANTIFA! Fuck you!
Agh!
Oh, God!
That is it.
(SPLUTTERS)
MAN: The whole load. Let's go! Man up!
Fuck ANTIFA!
(YELLS) Wash your face.
MAN: Don't rub it! Don't rub.
Don't rub. (YELLS)
We need some more water, somebody.
WOMAN: Go get some water.
How does it feel? MAN: Feels like ass.
I live for this shit!
(LAUGHTER) That was gnarly.
That was gnarly.
Have a shower.
Let me get this off and be real quick.
And let's get the grill going and let's have some fun.
Way to go! Whoo!
Since I met him at Charlottesville,
I've come to know Brian quite well.
That way or you're going to regret it.
He's dedicated to the idea of creating a white ethno-state.
And that would mean deporting non-white people like me.
So I ask him, would he actually go through with it?
Honestly. Honestly?
No, I wouldn't want to see you get drug out and drug off, hauled off.
I would not, Deeyah.
I consider you a friend at this point.
And I personally would hate to see you go.
So what would you do?
You grew up here in the West.
You know, you grew up in the West.
And you, honestly, I would never want to see you be hurt.
Um... But?
What I would be doing, Deeyah,
is insuring the preservation of our race.
My race and my nation.
That's what it comes down to.
If that's the way forward,
I would have to make sure everyone that was ordered to do so would have to leave.
Including me. Including you.
This is Ken Parker.
One of the more recent recruits to the NSM.
ALL: White power! PARKER: White power!
He's been a member of the white power movement for many years.
And previously was a Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan.
Ken Parker.
I met him when I was filming at Charlottesville,
before the rally descended into chaos and violence.
Ken is exactly the kind of person
I've always been afraid of.
But now I'm going to spend time with him at his home in Florida.
Which he shares with his girlfriend Crystal.
That's the Klan? Yeah, this is a Klan tattoo.
I'm not racist. I don't hate anybody.
Well, I guess in that sense, cos I absolutely despise Jews.
So, yes, I'm a racist.
Jews and homosexuals.
They... I think they should be...exterminated.
Every single one of them!
Ken is now a political science student.
But previously, spent years serving in the navy.
He says he left because he didn't agree with allowing homosexuals
to serve in the armed forces.
Tonight, he's making hundreds of flyers
with swastikas and anti-Jewish slogans.
I've already hit a few Jewish neighbourhoods.
I've thrown out flyers denouncing Syrian refugees coming over here
in the Muslim neighbourhoods.
At the mosque.
And it...stirs up a lot of hate and discontent.
(LAUGHS)
'Take America back from the Jews.'
And it's Yom Kippur!
And we're going to the Jewish towns!
Should even get the synagogue too.
Wouldn't you perceive that as a threat? No.
Would you perceive that as something hateful or a potential warning?
Hateful, yes.
But I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Is there anything I could say that would make you change your mind?
No.
You understand that if I record what you're doing tonight,
you understand how that makes you look?
It's all right.
I don't consider myself a bad person.
But you're doing something bad now.
I don't think this is bad.
These are all Jewish communities.
They all have walls built around them.
That's the synagogue.
Ken has been looking forward to tonight.
But the more I talk to him,
the more agitated and anxious he seems to get.
Does it matter to you that I think what you're doing is wrong?
No.
Do you know why I think it's wrong?
Yeah.
Can you tell me? Cos I'm going to hurt the feelings
of thin-skinned individuals that can't realise the fact
that it's just a piece of paper.
There's a lot of people that thought us going to Charlottesville was evil too.
But that didn't stop us.
I can't control feelings, like I said earlier.
So...
You can control it by not doing this.
Er... I guess I could.
But I choose not to.
Er...
I find Ken's actions extremely disturbing.
But I want to try to get behind the hateful behaviour of these men
to see if there is more to them.
So I spend more time with Ken.
Be careful you don't crack that.
He tells me he grew up in a devout Christian community
and I'm the first person of Muslim background that he's ever spent time with.
He starts to tell me about his life.
This is a scrapbook my mom put together for me.
I guess this is maybe one of the very first pictures of me.
You look so sweet. (LAUGHS)
Yeah, maybe back then, I was.
There's me at a violin recital.
Graduation picture.
I didn't even want to go to my own graduation.
Why? I didn't want to wear a dress.
Is your mom proud of you?
Er... Yeah, she's proud of my military experience and what I'm doing in school.
She's not necessarily proud of what I'm doing in the movement.
I decided to share some of my own experiences with him.
So I show him the interview I gave to the BBC.
VIDEO: ..to build a society that includes all of us.
Where it means looking like me and looking like you.
And I read him some of the racist emails I got as a result.
'Save a life and bin that knife into her chest.'
'Your sour cunt should be gassed. Fuck off, bitch. Nazi Germany did it.'
When I'm not here and you speak to your friends about me,
will you use some of these words about me?
No. Would you call me a sand nigger?
Er... Maybe if I'm drunk.
If I told you that you calling me those words hurts my heart?
I'll do my very best not to use them.
Yeah? Yes.
Because? Because I respect you.
And I don't want to hurt your feelings.
Why are you nice to me?
You've been completely respectful to me.
I actually consider you to be a friend.
My opinion about Muslims since I've been interacting with you
has gone up significantly.
Besides asking me questions that kind of got under my skin a little bit...
'Don't do the flyers', blah blah blah.
'Don't throw them out in a Jew neighbourhood.
Don't use the Jew flyers with the swastika. You're going to hurt people's feelings.'
It comes down to when my girlfriend was in the hospital for a month
and the only one that called to see how she was doing
was a woman from the mosque.
I was like, holy shit,
I can't believe that these people that I fucking hate are checking up on her.
And what do you think that is going to change in you?
Actually, no, I don't think I'm going to mess with the mosque any more.
Trust me, I have thought about getting pigs' heads
and scattering them around mosques and stuff like that.
But I haven't... The worst I've done is bacon.
But I'm done messing with those people.
If you called me up and say 'I need help moving',
or 'I've got a flat tyre. Would you mind helping me out?',
I would do that.
Friendship, it makes people feel good. Honestly.
I mean, somebody that you can talk to, have discussions with,
even if you don't agree with each other,
it's nice to have friends.
Do you think he's betraying his people and his cause
by becoming friends with somebody like me?
You don't think that other Nazis will watch this and go
'What's he doing?'
I don't give a...' How can he say he's friends with that shit-skin?'
I don't give a shit if they say that or not.
I will never break bread with a Jew though.
You had to go and say something, didn't you?
Oh, I don't want this to turn into something like
'Oh, this big bad-ass Nazi is this little teddy bear.'
But he is.
Yeah, but I would never break bread with a Jew.
Ever.
Maybe that should be part two of this film.
What, send a Jew over here?
Yeah. No.
A couple of months after I left Ken,
I got an email from Crystal.
She said Ken had posted this picture of himself
onto his student Facebook page.
Ethnic minority students had seen it as a threat.
And he's been banned from the campus of the University of North Florida.
(CHANTING)
ALL: You will not replace us!
Until now, I'd been filming with men from working-class backgrounds.
But in recent years,
a new kind of white nationalist has emerged.
People who present a very different image.
They're often known as the alt right.
Their leaders are from privileged elite backgrounds.
Such as Richard Spencer,
born into a family of wealthy landowners.
We are fighting to be powerful again in a sea of weakness...
Spencer says he's not a racist.
But opposes multiculturalism
and wants to bring about a white ethno-state.
Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!
(CHEERING)
He's invited me to his apartment
in the most expensive part of Alexandria, Virginia.
He's hanging out with his followers.
I don't think I've ever done a video where I'm not wearing a collared shirt.
In terms of formal wear,
I like things that are striking.
High quality, well made.
And then you saw me!
The proles are doing it now.
(LAUGHS)
Wild Turkey.
Oh.
OK, fine.
As a natural leader,
I have certain obligations and duties
that other people don't.
I think that's obvious.
Why do I even need to talk about it?
Say it.
Tell me why. Because I'm better.
I'm going to tell you something. Go on.
All right. The elites rule the world.
The elites make history.
The question is who. Who is in charge?
That's what matters. People like me need to be in charge.
We determine the course of world history.
in ways that other races can't even dream of doing.
And part of your greatness is the exploitation of other people.
Part of what's made this country great. We did it.
We took it. We took it with force.
We won.
We took the entire continent.
That's what matters.
Outside his apartment, protestors have gathered
to hold a vigil for Heather Heyer.
The woman who was killed at Charlottesville.
Good to see you.
You guys just stare at me in a dead-eyed way?
God, these people are pathetic.
Do you know how dumb this is?
Heather Heyer. You think you people intimidate me?
# We shall overcome #
Oh, my God!
ALL: # We shall overcome # Overcome #
Seriously, you guys are gross.
ALL: # Some day #
I go to see another leader
who is closely associated with Richard Spencer in the alt right.
Jared Taylor also denies being a racist.
And says the white race is under threat.
I ask him how he thinks multiculturalism could work.
That's like saying
how can we make alcoholism and insanity work?
How can we make cholera work?
How can we make AIDS work?
How can we make something that is inherently unstable
and will eventually result in my extinction...
Why would I even think in terms of making it work
when it is clear it is not working
and it would require a fundamental change in human nature for it to work?
I'd come to America because I wanted to know the deeper, more personal reasons
why people are drawn to this kind of ideology.
At Charlottesville, I filmed alongside many young people
who seemed to be embracing the cause.
Like this young man. My face is my livelihood.
Thank you so much for coming.
ALL: You will not replace us!
After I met him, footage of him at Charlottesville went viral.
ALL: You will not replace us!
You will not replace us!
He was identified publicly by opponents of the far right.
His name is Peter Tefft.
He lives in a working-class district of Fargo, North Dakota.
And works as a carpenter.
He tells me he's not a racist.
And says he's a white civil rights activist.
I ask him about his childhood.
I was largely a...
I felt like a ghost at the school.
Like a nerd or a freak or something.
I might have had body dysmorphia.
I felt like I was either too big
or too fat.
A lot of the way people think and act doesn't happen in a vacuum.
I guess maybe there is a part of me
that wanted everyone to like me.
And did they?
Er... No.
No!
No.
Between the age of 23 to 25,
I'd get really depressed.
I saw so much wrong with the world.
And... Like what?
What bothered you most?
I guess, looking back, what bothered me the most
was...
I don't know. I guess, myself.
You know, it makes a guy rethink things.
When you start realising
and examining stuff,
and all of a sudden, you realise
'Hey, maybe...
..these Christians or these right-wingers
or at least people that have some semblance of trying to...
..be greater...'
I do feel a certain duty to act heroically.
And this movement provides you with the platform to be heroic?
Honestly, yeah.
I've travelled to America because I'm trying to understand
the mentality of people who join far-right movements.
I've decided to go back in time
to meet one of the most violent, racist skinhead leaders
of the previous generation.
This is Arno Michaelis.
In the 1990s,
he was the leader of a highly influential, racist skinhead band called Centurion.
(MUSIC)
These are my lyrics. I wrote these.
Freedom!
Nigger, prepare to burn. You attacked our people and now it's your turn.
(MUSIC)
The chorus ends with 'We'll drown the mud...'
As in mud race. As in people who aren't white.
'..in an ocean of blood.'
And there literally was an ocean of blood
over the seven years.
How many people we beat up and how many people we hurt.
And who knows how many people have been beat up and hurt since then
because of this song?
Centurion was an audio incitement to violence.
Arno was a founding member of the Northern Hammerskins.
One of the most notorious skinhead gangs in America.
We're in Riverwest now.
We spent, like, months just rampaging through this city.
Attacking anybody we could find.
Anybody.
If we could find a black person or a Latino person,
they were fair game.
I've hurt people horrifically with my bare hands.
I've beaten people until I thought they were dead
and I left them in a bloody mess.
Over and over again.
We beat up people to make us feel better about ourselves.
We had made us feel like we were powerful,
like we were important.
Like we were warriors, we were dominant.
I was a fucked-up kid.
With no empathy for other people.
Like, manipulating people.
I was like... 'You were a sociopath, man.'
Arno spent seven years in the movement.
But after his daughter was born,
he started to distance himself from the hatred and violence.
I'm ashamed of all the kids I've led astray.
I preyed upon their trauma and their suffering
to manipulate them to hate people and to hurt people.
Till the day I die, I'll be ashamed of that.
This is Frank Meeink.
He was recruited into a skinhead gang at the age of 14.
He told me he had grown up in Philadelphia
in a violent and deeply impoverished household.
My mom's husband, he hated me.
He was a drunk and drug addict who beat the shit out of me all the time.
A 36-year-ld man used to beat me like another guy he'd beat in a bar fight. And I'm 11 years old.
Every day, my goal was to get hit by a car.
I wanted to get hit by a car before I made it home.
I would walk home more dejected and...
I felt more like a loser than...
Then I had to go home and face my stepfather.
Who was going to tell me how much of a fucking loser I was. Or beat the shit out of me.
In his early teens, practically abandoned by his family,
he started hanging out with a racist skinhead gang.
One night, he took part in an altercation
between a skinhead and a man the gang had decided to intimidate.
And I seen it.
And I absolutely loved it.
Fear.
He had fear in his face for us.
And I loved that. I'm a broken human being.
I feared everything. I feared my parents.
I feared my step-parents. I feared my school.
I feared... I feared if I was going to have enough food to eat today.
And now someone fears me?
The same night, he joined the gang.
It was the camaraderie, the being part of, the numbers, the safety.
In that time, we trained for a race war, we trained to shoot guns.
They'd basically tell me, after all this is all done,
God chose me to be one of the angels that ruins Sodom and Gomorrah.
I'm now an angel for God.
This is powerful. Like, I'm knowing what the adults know now.
Frank quickly rose through the ranks
and became head of the Philadelphia chapter
of the Strike Force skinhead gang.
I was a violent human being.
I was the most evillest, fucking diabolical person you've ever met.
To break it down, people like me
were egomaniacs with no self-esteem.
That's what makes us fucking violent.
This is a movement which destroys lives.
Hate crimes are on the rise across Europe and the US.
I travel to meet a man called Pradeep Singh.
We meet at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.
RADIO: There is a balding male with glasses may have gone inside. Shots fired.
In 2012, he was attacked by a racist skinhead.
Wade Michael Page.
This is kind of where the shooting started.
There was two brothers. Both priests here.
Page encountered them out there
and shot them both dead
outside in the parking lot.
These two ladies went to go pray.
The shooter lets off a few rounds at one of the ladies.
He followed her into that corner.
And shot her from point-blank range.
This is one of the bullet holes.
We took it out.
There was three people in here and the priest.
The head priest was in the bathroom at the time.
He found cover.
But the other people essentially just...
..kind of sitting ducks and had nowhere to go.
He shot the other gentleman two times in the stomach.
The other man who was shot twice in the stomach ran out.
Ran this way, down the hallway.
So Dad was left alone with him.
Then Dad suffered five gunshot wounds.
All to the side of his body.
Wade Michael Page murdered six people,
including Pradeep's father,
before he turned his gun on himself.
He was a former army veteran.
And played in an extremist white power band,
just like Arno Michaelis.
I asked Pradeep, what would he do if Wade Page was here today?
If he's sitting here...
..I would want you to leave me alone with him for ten minutes.
And really beat the shit out of him.
But at the same time,
I would want to understand why.
Because something is fuelling it.
I feel like for anybody who is willing
to live this life of putting themselves through this miserable existence,
of isolation, of violence, of hatred,
what is it that fuels you to do that?
After the murder, Pradeep did a remarkable thing.
He reached out to a former neo-Nazi to search for answers.
(LAUGHS) Wassup, Arno?
Arno Michaelis.
For me, I reached out to Arno
because I wanted an explanation.
More important than that,
I gained a brother, I gained a friend.
And I gained someone that was going to say
'You know what? I'll not only tell you what happened and why it happened,
but I'll walk with you and we can explain it to other people too.'
Wade Page was exactly who I used to be.
If I were to remain in the movement for another ten years,
it's totally conceivable that I could have reached that point as well.
Yeah, I think the surprising thing to me
is not that Arno sees himself in Wade Page.
The thing that surprises me is that other people don't see themselves in Wade Page.
When we don't see ourselves in that person,
then we lose our ability as humans to do anything about it.
Pradeep and Arno now work together,
visiting schools and colleges
trying to warn young people of the dangers of racist extremism.
Hello, Brian.
A few months after I finished filming with him,
I get a call from Brian Culpepper,
the PR officer for the National Socialist Movement.
He says he has surprising news for me.
Wow.
He says one reason he's leaving
is because he had become upset by the racist abuse
I had received from the people in the far-right movement.
I remind him that the last time we met,
he said he would deport me from a white ethno-state.
Including me? Including you.
Otherwise...
Um... My entire world view,
my entire political platform,
my entire ideology,
and everything that I promote and stand for,
are nothing more than words.
Now that you've left, do you think that you would give me a different answer to that question?
So, today, Brian Culpepper would not deport me?
And why not?
Brian says he's not relinquishing the cause of national socialism.
But he does say he wants to reach across political and racial lines
to work with any group willing to talk to him
about the issues he's interested in.
Frank Meeink left the white power movement
after spending time in prison.
And now spends his days with youth at risk of extremism.
He says what changed his life
when he started making friends with people of different races.
People he had once thought were the enemy.
Empathy is the greatest emotion.
It's where we're able to turn the things that are in us,
bad things that happened, bad things that we done,
we're able to turn them into a positive.
And say 'I can help you with that because you're doing what I done before.'
Or 'I went through what you went through.'
When I see guys still active in the movement, I see suffering.
I see right through to their suffering.
I see individuals who have been through hell
and have been through all sorts of trauma
that they don't know how to process.
And they don't know how to react to it.
So they're lashing out because they're like a wounded animal that's been cornered.
It's so much easier to say 'I hate Jews and niggers'
than to say 'I'm afraid.
I'm afraid nobody's going to like me.
I'm afraid I'm not worthy of being loved.'
And it's by no means an excuse for any of that behaviour
or any of that train of thought, but it is a reason.
How do I rebuild my life?
It's going to be very cheesy, you're going to hate it.
It's going to be just one day at a time.
Do the next right thing in front of you.
Watch how good your life starts to turn
when you don't even know it.
Slowly starts to turn, so you don't wake up angry any more.
You feel good about who you are.
Such a change, it feels so good.
So that's it. Let's go.
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