1 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,560 [Rowe] Belize Central Prison. 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,760 My name is Raphael Rowe, 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:25,040 and I'm spending a week here, locked up with the country's most violent criminals. 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Those cells are bad enough, but this is terrifying. 5 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,400 It's like something out of a movie. 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,920 It's not my first time behind bars. 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,760 Hold your penis. Lift it up for me. 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:41,000 [Rowe] I was convicted in the UK of a murder I didn't commit 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,520 And sentenced to life with no parole. 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,480 It took me 12 long years to clear my name. 11 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:54,760 Now, I'm traveling the globe to discover what life is really like 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,560 inside some of the world's toughest prisons. 13 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,440 Belize, Central America. 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,080 It may look like a tropical paradise, but it has a dark side. 15 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,840 This devoutly Catholic country of only 378,000 people 16 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,560 has the third-highest murder rate, per capita, in the world. 17 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:27,760 I'll be spending a week here, 18 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:34,320 locked up in the country's only prison, alongside its most dangerous criminals. 19 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,880 But before I go inside... 20 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,320 I'm heading to the capital, Belize City, 21 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,920 to find out why murder is so common here. 22 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,760 In the last four days, four people have lost their lives in Belize City. 23 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,200 In broad daylight, a man was shot dead. 24 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,240 Much of the violence here is gang-related. 25 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:01,920 In the city's south side, 26 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,000 there's an incredible 27 gangs warring over just four square miles of territory. 27 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,800 [man] The gang does retaliation. 28 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,840 They take the law into their own hand. They turn vigilante. 29 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,240 That's why they keep retaliating at each other. 30 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,920 That's why the crime don't stop. 31 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,480 [Rowe] America's infamous Bloods and Crips have had a presence here since the 1980s, 32 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,640 when expat Belizeans were deported from the United States, 33 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,800 bringing gang culture with them. 34 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,320 The authorities in Belize are fighting a losing battle. 35 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,920 -Is that a gang sign? -That's one right there. 36 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,400 It's from the Bloods. 37 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,360 [Rowe] Police inspector Brent Hamilton and his K-9 unit are on the front line. 38 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,640 They look for these young boys in Belize City 39 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,040 who are not doing anything, who don't have any job. 40 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,080 They try to recruit as young as 12 years old 41 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,000 and try to form them up as a gang. 42 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,800 Are these the guys that end up in prison? 43 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Are these the guys you're constantly targeting? 44 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,560 [Brent] Yes, sir. Most of these guys, 45 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:05,040 when the police goes out on raids and such, 46 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,520 we find drugs on them. 47 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,080 Sometimes, we find firearms. Sometimes, we find bullets. 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,200 They involve themselves in murder. 49 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,720 They kill each other to try to show who is the supreme leader or so forth. 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,560 So, there's only two places for them: It's either six feet under or in prison. 51 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:21,800 [Brent] Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 52 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,800 [Rowe] Gang members arrested by police are taken to Belize Central Prison, 53 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,800 where they can spend years awaiting trial. 54 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,480 That's where I'm heading now, 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,840 to experience life as one of its 1,300 inmates, 56 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,520 a quarter of whom are in for murder. 57 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,400 I'm apprehensive, because it had a brutal reputation in the past. 58 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,440 Back in the 1990s, it was a squalid hellhole. 59 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,720 The authorities couldn't afford to feed the inmates, 60 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,960 and it was plagued by shocking violence and murder. 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,200 In 2002, things had reached crisis point, 62 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:12,040 and the Belize government handed over responsibility for the prison to an NGO: 63 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,360 the Kolbe Foundation. 64 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,440 Their mission was to turn the prison around 65 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:21,880 and reduce the 73% re-offending rate. 66 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:27,040 Fifteen years on, and Kolbe claim to have transformed the prison. 67 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,080 Their secret weapon... 68 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,600 [man over speakers] Hebrews 4 tells us... 69 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,920 [Rowe] ...God. 70 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,040 [man over speakers] ...enter into the rest of God. [continues indistinctly] 71 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,160 [Rowe] I'm told the authorities here are on a crusade 72 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,120 to redeem sinners and save their souls. 73 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,400 The usurper Lucifer... 74 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,920 [Rowe] Prisoners must obey the word of the Lord and conform... 75 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,360 We want to do things Jesus' way. 76 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,360 ...or be condemned to suffer punishment that critics have branded inhumane. 77 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,760 I'm about to discover if, and how, this really works. 78 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,040 Do you normally manhandle the prisoners like this? 79 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,520 It depends on the circumstances, who we're bringing in. 80 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,760 One from Belize City. 81 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,480 [Rowe] The Kolbe Foundation was formed 82 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,600 by local businessmen to run Belize Central Prison. 83 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,960 As long as they obey Belize law, 84 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,840 it's Kolbe, rather than the government, who dictate the prison's philosophy. 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,640 What's this? The holding cell? 86 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Just relax yourself. There is a process-- 87 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,920 -[Rowe] Relax in a cage? -That's right. 88 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,200 [Rowe] Before my conviction was overturned, I did 12 years for murder, 89 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,840 and was checked in to prisons all over the UK. 90 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,360 The feeling is always the same. 91 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,480 In the next half an hour, I will go out there into the belly of the beast, 92 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,480 where you then test your wits against other prisoners. 93 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,760 And it all starts with a look. 94 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:03,280 Sizing other prisoners up. 95 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,520 Already sniffing out who is important. 96 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,520 And, sometimes, that can be a simple sign. 97 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Who's wearing the cleanest clothes? Who looks like they look after themselves? 98 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,720 Because that is a measure of somebody who has more privileges than anybody else. 99 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,680 So, you're already switching on your survival mechanism. 100 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,320 Raphael Rowe. 101 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,880 [Rowe] And now my first step to becoming a prisoner at Belize Central Prison: 102 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,440 the strip search. 103 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,840 What sort of things do prisoners bring in with them? 104 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,360 Drugs, weapons, ammunition. 105 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,000 And why would they bring ammunition? Is it a dangerous place? 106 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,360 [guard] We have different gang rivals, 107 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,360 and we try to prevent, avoid that, by doing this kind of searches. 108 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,440 [Rowe] My boxers, as well? 109 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:56,440 Yes, sir. 110 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,400 Pull your ears. Okay. 111 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,400 I want you to spread your legs. 112 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Hold your penis. Lift it up for me. 113 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,120 Turn around. 114 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Lean forward. 115 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,360 Lower as you can go. Okay, with both hands, 116 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,560 spread it wide open for me. 117 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,280 [Rowe] I know this process well from my own time inside. 118 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,800 It starts with the strip search, then loads of questions. 119 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,440 Fingerprints are taken, followed by a mug shot. 120 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Finally, I'm issued a prison uniform and taken to a dirty holding cell. 121 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,160 This is what now distinguishes me 122 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,240 -from being a civilian to a prisoner. -[guard] Prisoner. 123 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Because until I took my own clothes off, I felt I was me, Raphael Rowe. 124 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,640 Now, I've become the number that you've given me. 125 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,360 No matter how often you've been banged up, 126 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,440 there's something about the moment when that door shuts... 127 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,880 and you're locked in for the first time. 128 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 It's impossible to get used to it. 129 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:14,240 I know my prison number from 30 years ago, MP3660. 130 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,480 And I've just been given another one, this time with an orange suit. 131 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,720 So, I've become orange suit 669. 132 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,640 That's who I am now. 133 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,600 It must be 90 degrees in here, 134 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,000 and with nothing but a list of prison rules for company, 135 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,080 I'm left to stew. 136 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,840 Four people in this space with just a... 137 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:42,080 And I hesitate to touch it, but it's a bucket. 138 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,000 I think, if this is a taste of what I'm to expect 139 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,560 when I'm taken out of this holding cell and taken into the main population, 140 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,160 I wonder if it's anything like this? 141 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,120 The guards here look like they mean business. 142 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Sharpshooters man the watchtowers. 143 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,680 It's like a military operation. 144 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,920 My final destination for today is cellblock Tango 8/2. 145 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,800 It houses prisoners awaiting trial. 146 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,520 Even though I've already been strip-searched? 147 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,280 [Gillett] Yes, you go through it again. 148 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,520 [Rowe] I'm told that 40% of all prisoners at Belize Central are on remand... 149 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,160 half of them for murder. 150 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,600 To avoid violent conflict, 151 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:39,680 inmates are segregated according to gang loyalty. 152 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,080 This is a Crip wing. 153 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,000 [indistinct chatter] 154 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,800 [Rowe] I don't know what I was expecting in Tango 8/2, 155 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,720 but it certainly wasn't this. 156 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Hi, guys. 157 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,920 [Rowe] What's up, man? 158 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,320 You all right? 159 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,440 Why've you got your head sticking out of there? 160 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,680 [Clive] Yeah, that's how we do it here. See what I'm saying? 161 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,280 -[Rowe] That's how you talk to each other. -[Clive] Yeah. 162 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,240 If you look down that side, 163 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,480 you can see all of those guys have their heads out as well. 164 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:05,880 [indistinct chatter] 165 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,080 [Clive] We communicate with each other right now. 166 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,080 That's the way we do it here in jail, all right? 167 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,960 My name is Clive Jevan, and it's a pleasure to meet you all. 168 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,600 How long are you in for? 169 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:17,840 [Clive] I'm here for approximately four years and a half now. 170 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,320 You've done four and a half years? 171 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,120 Yeah, but I haven't been on trial. 172 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,320 -How do they treat you? -[Clive] I can't say rough. 173 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,960 If we all decide to get treated rough, it's because we caused it on ourselves. 174 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,200 And if we go across the rules and regulations of this facilitation, 175 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,520 then we expect to be dealt with. 176 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,280 [Rowe] But do you not feel and do you not... 177 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,040 As I'm looking at you and all these other guys, 178 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 it's like you're being reduced to some kind of animal. 179 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,880 The only way we can talk is if I get down on my hands and knees... 180 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,960 -Do you see what I'm saying? -I understand you. 181 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,320 I understand where you're coming from, but... 182 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,600 it's just the situation that we put ourselves in, you know? 183 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:56,680 We make our bed hard, then we've got to sleep on it hard. 184 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,400 -[Rowe] That's true. -[Clive] See what I'm saying? 185 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,280 Are you affiliated to a gang? Is it gang-related or something else? 186 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,120 Used to, but what I'm trying to do right now is change my life. 187 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,640 And with the Almighty by my side, I know I'll be a free man one day again. 188 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,160 [Rowe] Being thrust into a cell with dangerous gang members 189 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,040 is always gonna be tense. 190 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,720 Banged up in a small space together for 22 hours a day, 191 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,880 it's crucial we hit it off. 192 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,040 -Can I go in? -Yeah, you can go in. 193 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,800 -[Rowe] Hello, how are you doing? -[Henry] Fine, you? 194 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,040 [Rowe] I'm Raphael. 195 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,680 How are you doing? I'm Raphael. How are you? Raphael. 196 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,040 -So, where's my bed? -The one on top. 197 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,720 This is my one, is it? 198 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:40,840 I didn't get your names. 199 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,400 -Gregory. -Gregory. 200 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,400 -Ryan. -Ryan. 201 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,680 -And Henry. -Henry. 202 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,640 In prison, the new con on the block is seen as fair game, 203 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,000 a fate I'm eager to avoid. 204 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,520 I'm new. I'm coming into your cell, into your space, 205 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,920 so I need to know what the in-cell rules are. 206 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,400 If you're a cool person, just basically keep to yourself, all right? 207 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,520 [Henry] When it comes to washing up and stuff, 208 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,800 we wash our own dishes and stuff, 209 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,200 our own personal stuff. We wash our own clothes. 210 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,680 But most people are under the impression that 211 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,560 when you come in as a newbie and you get little... 212 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,280 You know, guys give you things. 213 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,200 It's because they want something in return. 214 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,120 The way we look at it, right? 215 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,040 If you help somebody out, and you give somebody something, 216 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,480 like a newbie or something, that's like a blessing to you. 217 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:34,840 You never know what could happen. 218 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Later on, you might need something and I got it, 219 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,760 and I can just give it to you. It's like that. 220 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:46,200 I know that this is supposed to be a wing of remand murderers or alleged murderers. 221 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,080 -Um, is that what you're all in for? -[Ryan] All of us. 222 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,800 -[Rowe] How long have you been here? -Six years and change. Six years. 223 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,080 Six years? 224 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,360 -On remand? -On remand. 225 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,040 -You haven't been convicted? -No. 226 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,480 [Gregory] This year, four years, going for five. 227 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:01,400 [Rowe] And what's your situation? 228 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,080 I'm going to be frank and honest. I was set up by the police. 229 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:07,200 [Rowe] Are you saying that you're innocent? 230 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,720 -Yeah. -You didn't commit the crime? 231 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:09,640 [Gregory] No. 232 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,320 And hopefully my trial comes up next year. 233 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,960 It's pretty rough. It's pretty rough, but... 234 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,960 That's really tough. 235 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,640 The one thing that stands out to me, more than anything... 236 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:30,200 was the length of time remand prisoners are being held in these cells. 237 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,200 They may well be guilty and deserve the punishment that lays ahead, 238 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,360 but right now, they're innocent until proven guilty. 239 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,800 And I know, more than anybody, 240 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,120 what it's like to be sitting in a cell, awaiting trial, 241 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,840 especially when it's for something you didn't do. 242 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:50,600 Being locked up 22 hours a day, for years on end, awaiting trial 243 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:52,520 is seriously hard-core. 244 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,680 And I'm wondering if conditions in the rest of the prison 245 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,360 are equally harsh. 246 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:02,960 [man over speakers] When the smoke cleared, 247 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,080 Satan himself was standing at the podium. 248 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,360 People panicked... 249 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:12,640 [Rowe] 6:00 a.m. and Belize Central Prison wakes to the sound of religious sermons, 250 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,200 blaring out of speakers across the compound. 251 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,240 [man over speakers] Satan was appalled. He says, "Lady, do you know who I am?" 252 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,360 She said, "I sure do." 253 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,560 [Rowe] After yet another pat down, 254 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,000 I'm allowed out of the cellblock for the first time 255 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,280 to try and get a sense of what makes this prison tick. 256 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,760 [man over speakers] Hebrews 4 tells us to enter into the rest of God. 257 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,280 That's a place... 258 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,560 [Rowe] There seems to be one thing behind it all. 259 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,200 And it's religion. It's faith. It's spirituality, 260 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:47,160 because that's what I'm beginning to understand this prison is all about. 261 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,760 [woman over speakers] This is Jeremiah 33.3 FM. 262 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,720 [Rowe] Jeremiah 33.3 is the prison's very own radio station. 263 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,720 It plays a selection of sermons and religious music around the clock. 264 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,880 It's a way of impregnating the minds of all these prisoners about 265 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,880 how God could be an influence in their lives 266 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,880 and turning their lives around. 267 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,360 And I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. 268 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,280 I haven't quite worked that one out yet. 269 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,880 [man over speakers] "Jesus, wake up. We're about to drown." 270 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:18,760 He woke up... 271 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,040 [Rowe] The second thing that strikes me is that there's a lot of activity. 272 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Everywhere you go, inmates are busy. 273 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,240 It's like a well-oiled machine. 274 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,600 You get these little pat-down searches 275 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,560 every time you go in or out of a different part of the prison. 276 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,920 I've been told to report to the kitchen, 277 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,600 where I'll be working alongside one of my new cell mates. 278 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:47,880 -[Rowe] Gregory. -[prisoner] Gregory? 279 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,320 -[Rowe] Gregory. -[prisoner] Right there. 280 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,800 [Rowe] On the outside, Gregory was a Crip gang member 281 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,080 who'd been to prison seven times. 282 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,640 Here, he's one of 32 prisoners who help prepare, cook and serve 283 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,960 three meals a day for all 1,300 inmates. 284 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,240 Well, what's on the menu today, then? 285 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,280 Today is fried chicken, rice and beans, and gravy. 286 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,280 -[Rowe] So, how can I help? -Take this to the window. 287 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,800 And you're not gonna give me a ticket for it? 288 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,520 -You got a ticket already. -[Rowe] He got it already. 289 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,360 How can I be sure you gave me the right ticket? 290 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,160 -I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. -[chuckles] 291 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,920 I'd make a good supervisor, right? 292 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,880 Being in prison awaiting trial is tough, 293 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,920 but at least Gregory's not locked up 22 hours a day 294 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,680 like many remand prisoners here. 295 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,320 What was you doing before this job? 296 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Stay in my cell. Get an hour and a half recreation a day. 297 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,040 For you to get a job like this, you must be quite a trusted prisoner. 298 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,680 -Is it a privileged job? -It is for me. 299 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:59,600 So, do you have to... Do you have to show you are responsible, 300 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,880 or that you are conforming to what the prison expects of you? 301 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,800 Of course. 302 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,880 When I just came, in 2013, I enrolled myself in the ARC program. 303 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,079 -[Rowe] The what program? -[Gregory] The ARC. 304 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,640 Ashcroft Rehabilitation Center. It's a good program. 305 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,800 It teaches you about socialization. 306 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:21,720 It teaches you about anger management. 307 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,920 My point of view is it helped me. 308 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,200 That's good. 309 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,200 So, this must be hard. You've spent four years on remand. 310 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,400 You haven't been to trial. What keeps you going? 311 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,720 [chuckles] Faith. Faith and hope. 312 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,360 Do you mean your own internal faith, or some kind of spiritual thing? 313 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,000 Yeah, I believe in a higher power. 314 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,080 -[Rowe] In God? -God. 315 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,320 [Rowe] Call me a cynic, but I can't help wondering 316 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,400 if having one of these privileged jobs is dependent on having faith. 317 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,600 So, this is your reward after a hard day's work. 318 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,680 Right, right. 319 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,080 [Rowe] It's interesting, 'cause I saw so many prisoners, 320 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,520 when I was in prison, turn to religion. 321 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,320 Some of them come from gangs. 322 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,880 That was taken away. They were looking for something else. 323 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,000 And what's the most powerful thing offered in prison sometimes? Religion. 324 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,600 [Gregory] Religion. 325 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,160 You do believe in a god, though? 326 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,440 -[Rowe] No, I don't. -Serious? 327 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,560 No, I don't. 328 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,120 [Gregory] I always believed in a higher being. 329 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,680 I always put my trust in that higher being before any human. 330 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,640 [Rowe] But is that because your experience with humans hasn't been a positive one? 331 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,040 Yes. 332 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:39,560 [Rowe] Gregory credits his transformation to the prison's rehabilitation center. 333 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,120 Here we go again. 334 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,480 So I've volunteered to join the program. 335 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,640 Is it like somewhere that a prisoner will be taken over to on a daily basis? 336 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,280 Or do they live in that environment 337 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,720 until they've completed the course? How does that work? 338 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,400 Well, as so long as you come over to ARC, 339 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,800 you will live in that environment for a period of three to six months. 340 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,280 Is it based on religion? Is there a religious element to it? 341 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,200 I do believe that you can't correct bad with bad. 342 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,040 It has to be, you know, the opposite. 343 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,440 [Rowe] In charge of the rehab is Pastor Burns. 344 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Nice to meet you, Mr. Burns. Raphael Rowe. 345 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,680 [Burns] Welcome. 346 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,520 [Rowe] I wanna go on a rehabilitation center. 347 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,840 I don't know what it is that I need to do, so I'm guided by you. 348 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,040 [indistinct chatter] 349 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:35,000 [Rowe] ARC uses the 12-step program as the basis of its rehabilitation. 350 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,600 Originally devised for recovering alcoholics, 351 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,040 the prison uses it to break addictions like drugs, anger and criminal behavior. 352 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:45,200 [prisoners applauding] 353 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:50,400 [Rowe] And it starts by getting prisoners to take responsibility for their crimes. 354 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:55,320 Many men come here, and they don't want to admit they have a problem, 355 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,800 admit that they have anger, admit that they have drugs addiction. 356 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,440 Step one is for you to admit to yourself and to God 357 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,240 that, "I need change. I want something different." 358 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,280 [Rowe] I'm surprised when the meeting is kicked off by Officer Gillett, 359 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:12,600 the prison's transfer warden. 360 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,040 I am saying to you young kings that each and every one of you guys 361 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,760 have the solution to the problems that we are facing at hand. 362 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,880 And we face these problems on a daily basis. 363 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,600 So, I am asking you young guys that you dig deep within 364 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:39,600 and start coming up with the solution to every problem that we face. 365 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,320 Starting now. 366 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,720 -[Rowe] First to step forward is Ryan... -[Burns speaking indistinctly] 367 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,000 [Rowe] ...a former gang member, 368 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,920 serving four years for drug trafficking and possession. 369 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,840 One of my biggest shortcomings is I am mischievous. 370 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,600 The street life was entertaining to me. 371 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,200 So, I started selling weed, and I made easy money. 372 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:09,520 But when I got arrested, and I got four years and I come to jail, 373 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,600 I realized, "How am I gonna live my life?" 374 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,200 Every night, when I go to sleep, 375 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,400 I feel pain, because I don't get to be with my family. 376 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,920 I never realized how all my actions have caused so much pain in my life. 377 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,480 So now, I do whatever I can to change it. 378 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,920 So, I encourage you all to let it out. Let out all your shortcomings on God. 379 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,680 [Rowe] This is tough. I know from my time inside 380 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,640 that the last thing an inmate wants to do is admit weakness or look vulnerable, 381 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,080 especially in front of other prisoners. 382 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,840 I have a lot of issues that I face every day, but I don't... 383 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,960 [Rowe] But that's exactly what these guys have to do here. 384 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,840 I am responsible for all the consequences and circumstances I face in my life. 385 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,360 [Rowe] And now, it's my turn. 386 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,200 Raphael Rowe, permission to talk? 387 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,320 [prisoners exclaim in agreement] 388 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:11,640 I myself spent 12 years in prison for murder and robbery. 389 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:14,480 The twist is I was innocent. 390 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,640 And I was released. 391 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,760 So, if I have one message that I want to share with you, 392 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,840 it's that even when you've been in prison for a very long time, 393 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:30,040 there is light at the end of the tunnel, and I am a product of that light, 394 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:34,520 because I made the decision to change and do things differently. 395 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,480 Of course, here in Belize Central Prison, 396 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,760 "the light" can have a whole different meaning. 397 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,800 Was you religious or faithful when you were on the outside? 398 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,480 No, no, no, no. When I was small, I was a Christian. 399 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,320 But at the age of 12, I was done with church. 400 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,720 Seeing all the men on the lanes selling the weed, banging girls... 401 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,280 They got easy money. 402 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,440 Being in a gang-infested area, that's what I thought life was about. 403 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,680 And did you affiliate yourself with a gang? 404 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,880 Peace in the Valley. It's a Blood gang. That was the gang I grew up in. 405 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520 But being here and getting to learn the 12 steps, 406 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,440 it brought me closer to God, and it helped me work on myself 407 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,600 and have nothing to do with the streets. 408 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,400 [Rowe] ARC is at the heart of the Kolbe regime, 409 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,680 a place where these young kings turn away from the violent street life 410 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,120 and on to the path of righteousness. 411 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,440 [indistinct chatter] 412 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,720 [Rowe] Where gang loyalty becomes loyalty to God. 413 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,200 -Amen. -[all] Amen. 414 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,200 [Rowe] These guys are in that room... 415 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,080 every day from four, five o'clock in the morning, 416 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,400 through till eight o'clock at night. 417 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,120 That's a long time, and they get very little breaks. 418 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,000 They say the right things 419 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,080 because they're being taught the terminology and the language. 420 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720 And in this prison, it's the language of God. 421 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,520 It's the language of embracing your faith. 422 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,120 But if it works, it works. 423 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,280 The carrot for the inmates is that, once they've been through ARC, 424 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,280 they become eligible for one of those privileged jobs, 425 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,400 and time out of their cells. 426 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,760 This is phase two of the prison's rehabilitation philosophy. 427 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:27,000 This afternoon, I'm being sent to the other side of the prison compound 428 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,680 to work with a veteran of the ARC program, named Francisco. 429 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,440 -Francisco. Hi, I'm Raphael. -Hi, Raphael. 430 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,640 [Rowe] It's good to meet you. I've been told by the guards 431 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,240 that I've got to come and help you. 432 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440 -We're going over to the pigpens. -[Rowe] Okay. 433 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,080 Raising their own pigs is just part of the story. 434 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,840 Today, much of the prison's 225-acre site is given over to farmland, 435 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,680 where prisoners grow vegetables and raise livestock. 436 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,560 Before Kolbe took over, the prison couldn't afford to feed its inmates. 437 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,200 Now, with no extra cash from the government, 438 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,480 they produce 40% of the prison's food. 439 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,080 [pigs squealing] 440 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,000 How many pigs do you have in here? 441 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,280 We have 104 pigs here: 69 adult and 35 piglets. 442 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:21,200 [sow grunting] 443 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,400 [Rowe] For Francisco, this job isn't just about getting out of his cell. 444 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,520 It's all part of his rehabilitation. 445 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,920 This job is helping me to think, be responsible. 446 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,320 If I don't take care of these animals, how am I going to take care of my family? 447 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,240 Did you struggle to take care of your family when you was out? 448 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,760 -[Francisco] Well, I was an addict. -An addict? 449 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320 I've been 27 years in prison. 450 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,760 My drug addiction has taken me a long way off. 451 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,240 I lost my loved ones. 452 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,840 I lost everything. 453 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,080 I find a chemical dependency because of my addiction, which is anger. 454 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,520 The 12-step program has enabled me to... 455 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,840 to do a very, very profound recharge of my life. 456 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,720 What sort of crimes did you commit? 457 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,000 Extortion, robbery, drug trafficking, murder. 458 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,600 And I went to prison. I got caught. 459 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,600 This is where I started seeing the light. 460 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,680 -Were you always a religious man? -[Francisco] I was never. 461 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,200 So, you found religion in Belize Central? 462 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,920 [Francisco] Belize Central Prison. 463 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,760 -[Rowe] So, you want me in? -Yeah. 464 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,960 -Am I scrubbing now? -You scrub. 465 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,800 -[Rowe] I scrub. -You scrub. They will move. 466 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,480 [Rowe] Changing from a drug-crazed murderer 467 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,280 to a God-fearing pig farmer is quite a transformation. 468 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:43,920 [pig squealing] 469 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,280 [Rowe] And keeping inmates gainfully employed 470 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,880 is all part of the Kolbe master plan. 471 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:54,720 For Francisco, that means learning to rear, kill and butcher his pigs. 472 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,560 Daniel is the one who's going to actually carry out the slaughtering. 473 00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,880 [Rowe] The one with the knife in his hand? 474 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,200 [Francisco] Yeah. 475 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,680 [Rowe] Right, he looks like he can't wait. 476 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,760 Don't smile. You're about to chop a pig or cut a pig's throat. [chuckles] 477 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040 -That's nothing to smile about. -[Francisco] They do it laughing. 478 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,800 [Rowe] Where do I stand so I don't get any blood all over me? 479 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,280 That's all I want to know. 480 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,880 -I'm safe there, am I? -[Francisco] You're safe there. 481 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,400 -[Francisco] No, just... Just look. -[Rowe] Jesus. 482 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,920 Oh, my God. 483 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,960 [Francisco] He's done. 484 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,640 [Rowe] That ain't over. He's still kicking. 485 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,720 Man. 486 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,680 [pig groans] 487 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Hey, come this side. 488 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,480 [water splashing] 489 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,360 -[Francisco] Come this side. -Me? 490 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,360 It's taken him years, but Francisco's conversion from crime to Christianity 491 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,800 seems to have paid off. 492 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,240 He's up for parole. 493 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,960 Twenty-seven years of my life 494 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,560 -being incarcerated. -Yes. 495 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,600 You can imagine that in less than a week's time, 496 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,000 I will be granted the opportunity to be on the street. 497 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,400 -[Rowe] Do you think you're ready? -[Francisco] I am. 498 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,120 Kolbe offers gainful employment to ex-inmates. 499 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,200 -Okay. -Society does not. 500 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,120 But that does not mean that I cannot get a job. 501 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,720 I know how to slaughter. I might take $200 to get one of these pigs. 502 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,840 I slaughter a pig the very first week that I'm out. 503 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,640 150 pounds at $4 a pound, 504 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,120 I make my first $300. 505 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:24,040 The 12-step program and the ARC curriculum has taught me how to be self-employed. 506 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,120 [Rowe] It's hard not to be impressed by this prison. 507 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,880 If it's not rearing animals or growing their own food, 508 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,440 prisoners are learning metalwork or carpentry skills. 509 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,760 To me, their emphasis on God and Christianity feels a bit like a cult. 510 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,600 [indistinct announcement over speakers] 511 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,200 [Rowe] But it's hard to deny that for those that embrace it, 512 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,280 the system seems to be working. 513 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,400 Surely, it can't be that easy to turn these men around? 514 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,520 These are convicted murderers and hardened criminals. 515 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,080 Tomorrow, I'm gonna be spending time with the guards. 516 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,080 And I'm particularly keen to see how they deal with those prisoners 517 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,280 who don't buy into the Kolbe program. 518 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,520 It's 7:00 a.m. 519 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,280 And head of security Mr. Bennett 520 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,360 is briefing his officers on the night's events. 521 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,680 -[Mr. Bennett] Good morning. -[guards] Good morning, sir. 522 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,560 Last night, we had an officer, coming in during a search area, 523 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,200 found trying to smuggle in two cell phones. 524 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,840 That officer will be dealt with sometime during the course of the day. 525 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Likewise, last night, we had a fight involving four inmates. 526 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,120 Those inmates will be dealt with this morning. 527 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,400 [Rowe] Corrupt guards, prisoners fighting... 528 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,480 Maybe this prison does have a darker side. 529 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,320 And how do you personally feel 530 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200 about the fact that somebody you entrusted with the job, 531 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,200 and you've been guiding, has broken the rules? 532 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,240 The cardinal rule of "don't be corrupted by the prisoners"? 533 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,320 It's so sad when we lose officers because of corruption. 534 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,800 It is not what we want. 535 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,920 They have been trained not to engage in those sort of activities. 536 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,040 You mentioned that the two prisoners who got into an altercation last night... 537 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,280 What will happen to them? What's the process now? 538 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,480 There will be an investigation. 539 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,520 More than likely, they'll be part of the tribunal process coming this Thursday. 540 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,240 [Rowe] What's the punishment for fighting? 541 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,160 [Mr. Bennett] It varies. 542 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,920 Those inmates will probably be relocated to Ad Seg because it was a fight. 543 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000 -[Rowe] What's Ad Seg? -Ad Seg, Admin Segregation. 544 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,320 [Rowe] The tribunal is set for tomorrow, 545 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,800 and this is where the inmates could end up: 546 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240 the Ad Seg punishment block. 547 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,040 It sounds like somewhere I need to visit. 548 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040 But first, there's another briefing to attend. 549 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,920 This time with the prison's CEO and superintendent, Mr. Murillo. 550 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,280 -[Rowe] So, he's the main man in charge? -[Mr. Bennett] Yes. 551 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,920 He has a passion for this place. 552 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,680 When I say passion, a real passion for this kind of environment. 553 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,560 When I took over this prison, remember, we had serious, serious problems. 554 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,480 Our contraband was out of whack. Corruption was rampant. 555 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120 [Rowe] Mr. Murillo has been in charge here for three years, 556 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,320 after working his way up from prison accountant. 557 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600 [Murillo] Listen, as a prison leader, 558 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,080 you need to know all the relevant human rights laws, 559 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,000 what you can and cannot do. 560 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,560 I was challenged the other day 561 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,920 when I started sending repeat offender to Ad Seg, 562 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,400 challenged by lawyers, challenged by everybody. 563 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,120 Ombudsman, everybody. 564 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,800 But at the end of the day, I know the human rights laws. 565 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,920 I'm not violating anybody's laws. 566 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,360 Well, that was quite inspiring. 567 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Their leader, Mr. Murillo, the man who runs this ship. 568 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,600 He's quite a charismatic, 569 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,240 very respected leader amongst his senior staff. 570 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,560 Because there will be times, prisoners come to prison. 571 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,480 They will want to break the rules. 572 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,840 They will want to carry out the same kind of shenanigans... 573 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,400 He is in total control. He makes the decisions and people follow. 574 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440 [Rowe] Be interesting meeting and talking to him 575 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:33,920 about the methods he uses to control and run this prison. 576 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,480 If I get the chance, I will definitely be asking Mr. Murillo 577 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,520 for a tour of Ad Seg to find out why it's so controversial. 578 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Good morning. 579 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:49,040 But today, I'm heading back to my remand block, Tango 8/2, 580 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,240 where three wardens guard around 100 prisoners. 581 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,800 -Good morning, Mr. Petillo. -Yes, good morning. 582 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,600 -How are you? -I'm doing fine. Glad to meet you. 583 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,200 [Rowe] Despite being locked up 22 hours a day, 584 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,480 inmates here still manage to break the rules. 585 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,760 As officers, how do you maintain discipline? 586 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,960 [Petillo] These guys understand if you commit an infraction 587 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,360 within the housing unit, there are penalties. 588 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,320 Right. And have you had any prisoners breaking rules recently? 589 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,120 On Saturday, after the visit, one of the guys refused to be searched. 590 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,720 One of us officers suspected him of having some contraband. 591 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,200 When he was called to be searched, he ran. Immediately, that rings a bell. 592 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,160 -"Why do you run?" -[chuckles] Of course. 593 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,640 Because maybe he's hidden some contraband. 594 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,800 [Rowe] Where is he now? What happened to him? 595 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,760 [Petillo] He's in lockdown. He's awaiting tribunal. 596 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,360 -[Rowe] Can you show me that? -[Petillo] We're heading there right now. 597 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880 -[Rowe] What do you call it? -[Petillo] The Iron Curtain. 598 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,440 [Rowe] The man currently behind the Iron Curtain... 599 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,960 Good morning. How are you doing? 600 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,040 ...is called Armando. 601 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,680 A little bit of light. I heard you're in a bit of trouble. 602 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,800 What's it feel like being in there? It looks quite... 603 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,520 -Dark. It's dark in here. -[Rowe] It's dark. 604 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,960 Iron bed, and it hurt up your ribs, and it digs. 605 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,160 How does this differ from a normal cell? 606 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,360 'Cause this is a semi-punishment cell... 607 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,159 Rough, rough. I've been in here seven days already. 608 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,639 On Saturday, seven days. Seven, six days? 609 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,400 [Rowe] You've lost count of time already? 610 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,280 Yeah. Rough, rough. 611 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,440 I think this should be the punishment right here. 612 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,000 I mean, they still want to punish you more, more and more. 613 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,320 -So, you're in there 24 hours a day? -Yeah. 614 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,400 -[Rowe] That's punishment enough? -Yeah. 615 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,600 [Rowe chuckles] I think most people would agree with you. 616 00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:35,520 Yeah. 617 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,320 But you get your... I'm told you get your chance to defend yourself 618 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,679 or argue your case at the tribunal when you go there. 619 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520 -Why you did... -Yes, I'll fight my case there. 620 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,360 Well, good luck. I hope you survive it. 621 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,600 -Yes, sir. Yes, sir. -Okay. Take care. 622 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,199 [cell door locking] 623 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,600 [Rowe] I don't know what you call this, 624 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,840 but standing here, watching this guy being put in this space... 625 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,560 Those cells are bad enough, but this is terrifying. 626 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,640 They've got two padlocks on. It's bolted. It's an iron... 627 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,760 It's like something out of a movie. 628 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,960 It looks like seven days in there has terrorized him as a human being. 629 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,240 If that's what they have to do to control these guys, 630 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,600 that's what they have to do, and they obviously know better than I do. 631 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,600 Um, whether it's right is another question. 632 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,920 Zero tolerance of any rule-breaking 633 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,600 is how the guards at Belize Central maintain control. 634 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,400 And if the Ad Seg punishment block is as brutal as the Iron Curtain, 635 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,640 it must act as a pretty fierce deterrent. 636 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,240 I want to see for myself how punishment works in this prison. 637 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,480 So today, I'm attending the weekly tribunal. 638 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,320 Here, inmates accused of breaking the rules wait to have their cases heard. 639 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,320 A three-man panel will decide their fate. 640 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,760 Among the 30 men assembled 641 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,400 are the two prisoners charged with fighting. 642 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,680 If found guilty, they face being locked up in Admin Segregation. 643 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,240 Prison CEO Mr. Murillo is also here, 644 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880 and I take the chance to ask him about Ad Seg. 645 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,240 [Murillo] It just literally means that you are segregated, 646 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,600 and all of your privileges that you would have if you were behaving good, 647 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,400 and if you don't get into trouble, is being removed. 648 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,960 Does it work? 649 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,960 -[Murillo] It definitely works. -How do you know it works? 650 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,400 I know it works because I've been testing the recidivism in that area, 651 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,080 and it's not the same people going back there. 652 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,320 At the end of the day, my story to them has always been, 653 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,280 "You have yourself there, not me. 654 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,280 I am just enforcing the laws and the rules." 655 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,600 There's a side to you that I find really interesting, 656 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,720 that you won't take any BS, if you like. 657 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,960 "I'll be straight with you. I'll be fair with you. 658 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,040 But you mess with the rules, you break the rules, 659 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,160 I'm going to punish you. I'm going to show you the consequences." 660 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,720 Is that you? Is that how it works? 661 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,840 -Tough love. -[Rowe] Yes. 662 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,840 Tough love, even with my own children. Tough love. 663 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,440 I'm going to give you the opportunities and work with you. 664 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,200 But you're not gonna play games with me. It doesn't work. 665 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640 [Rowe] What would the guys down there say that they've learned? 666 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,560 You could learn that from them, 'cause they were there a few days ago. 667 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,240 -[Rowe] They've already been down? -They have. 668 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680 They've waited there for the last week. You can ask them. 669 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960 Can I go to Ad Seg and see how this works down there? 670 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,720 That's out of bounds. Ad Seg is out of bounds. 671 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,640 You can't take me down and show me how this... 672 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,000 -No. -...part of the prison works? 673 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,240 -You won't take me there? -Not to Ad Seg. 674 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,760 You and the prison sound very proud of the fact 675 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,480 that they use this as a sanction, as they do other things. 676 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,880 -So, what is there to hide down there? -[Murillo] It's total deprivation. 677 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,160 And I'm just saying, as a superintendent, 678 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,120 that I won't want you to go there, and I'll stick with that. 679 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,960 -[Rowe] Right. Okay. -Yeah. 680 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,800 [Rowe] I know that, at Belize Central, total deprivation means 24-hour lockdown. 681 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,480 If Mr. Murillo won't show me Ad Seg, I can at least hear about it. 682 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,560 The reason they will never take you back there in Ad Seg 683 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,360 is because you will see it's somewhere inhumane for humans to live. 684 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,520 How would it look seeing humans sleeping on concrete? 685 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,000 When we eat, we don't get no nutrients. 686 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,760 Sometimes you're hitting your hand, 687 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,160 and you're killing five, six mosquitoes at once. 688 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,400 [prisoner] Coming from using a toilet in the building... 689 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:29,440 to stooling, to shitting, and urinating and defecating in a slop bucket, 690 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,320 with other guys in the cell... 691 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,520 [prisoner] And Mr. Murillo thinks it's punishing us 692 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,040 -that is going to make us straight. -[indistinct chatter] 693 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,200 It gives us an embedded anger that... 694 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,360 I've even contemplated suicide being in that spot, man. 695 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,280 [indistinct chatter] 696 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560 [Rowe] Mr. Murillo says it's tough love. 697 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,680 He says that he's doing the best thing he can 698 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,920 to make you better citizens for when you go outside. 699 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,120 That's what he says. 700 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,560 [prisoner] He also said he's the god of the prison. 701 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,320 The god? 702 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,440 The god. G-O-D. That mean whatever he says goes. 703 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,920 [indistinct chatter] 704 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,320 [Rowe] For these inmates, the stakes are high. 705 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,480 It's time for the two guys accused of fighting to face the music. 706 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,600 Anthony Carbayo. 707 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,240 I have a charge here of committing an assault, 708 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,520 contrary to the Prisons Act Chapter 139, by kicking and punching him. 709 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,800 -How do you plead? -[Anthony] Guilty. 710 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,560 [officer] Do you have any explanation? 711 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,280 Yes, sir. This altercation started from when me... 712 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,360 [Rowe] It's really interesting. 713 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,720 I've seen myself stand behind that yellow line on numerous occasions, 714 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,080 where I'm trying to convince the adjudicator, 715 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,120 or the tribunal in this case, that "I didn't do it, guv." 716 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,360 -...here, Mr. Young. -[Rowe] "It wasn't me, guv." 717 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,240 Trying to convince this person who has their fate in their hands. 718 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,560 [indistinct chatter] 719 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,480 [Rowe] Am I gonna go and spend time in isolation, segregation, 720 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,520 or in this case, the Ad Seg. 721 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,600 That's what's at stake here for most of these guys. 722 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,200 Now, this charge is one sanction for one to three months. 723 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,800 I will not give you one month. 724 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,680 But I won't give you three, either. 725 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,840 You'll be getting two months full sanction, lockdown at Ad Seg. 726 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,640 You understand? 727 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,960 [Rowe] Two months? 728 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,760 That can't be about changing somebody and making them... 729 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,440 That is hard. I mean, what more can I say? That is really hard. Fucking hard. 730 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,720 The prisoners found guilty of breaking the rules 731 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,760 are marched off to Ad Seg. 732 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,400 [Murillo] That's your place you're interested in seeing, Ad Seg. 733 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,920 [Rowe] That's that building down the bottom? 734 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,600 [Murillo] That's Ad Seg right there. 735 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,280 [Rowe] Inmates here might see Mr. Murillo as the god of the prison, 736 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,680 but is he a just god or a vengeful one? 737 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,480 Do you think that Belizean society 738 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,360 want their brothers, sons, you know, parents 739 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,280 to be treated in this way when they break the rules? 740 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,400 I need to make something very crystal clear here. 741 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,200 Nothing that is happening here is against the Prisons Act, okay? 742 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,600 If they've been through the programs that are so successful 743 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,880 and it's not worked for them, 744 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,440 maybe there's something wrong with the programs. 745 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,120 [Murillo] Maybe they were born criminals. 746 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,200 Remember, they are street-- 747 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,400 [Rowe] Is there such a thing? No child is born-- 748 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,000 Mr. Murillo, you're an intelligent man. 749 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,280 -No child can be born a criminal. -I have... 750 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,280 I'm just saying maybe. 751 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,640 -You hear the word I used? Maybe. -Okay. 752 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,680 [Murillo] We're putting them with a class of their own, 753 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,160 so they cannot contaminate each other, 754 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,400 because they are birds of a feather. They are flocking together. 755 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,240 Hopefully, this time around, they'll get their act together. 756 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,800 They'll go back out into society, and they'll think differently 757 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,480 and not want to come back to the prison. 758 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,480 People should not look forward to coming to prison. 759 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,440 Prison should not be an option. 760 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,640 Prison should not be an option for nobody, no matter what your circumstance is. 761 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,160 That's what I am saying. 762 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,920 But if I make prison a bed of roses, that is what will happen. 763 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,320 The jail will be filled up. Big time. 764 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,280 [man over speakers] If these disciples had seen Jesus heal the... 765 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,960 [Rowe] It may not breach Belizean law, 766 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,920 but I'm still not sure about Mr. Murillo's tough love philosophy. 767 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,480 What I do know is that months of total lockdown in Ad Seg 768 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,840 will leave prisoners vulnerable, physically and mentally. 769 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,000 [man over speakers] Feed your inner person. 770 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,800 [Rowe] My next stop during my time with the guards... 771 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,200 is Tango 7, a medium-security block for inmates convicted of crimes 772 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,120 including gang-related violence and murder. 773 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,320 -[Rowe] How are you doing? -[prisoner] Good morning. 774 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,480 Where do I go? Where's the entrance? 775 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,600 -Just... -[Rowe] In here. 776 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,080 So, I'm looking for Mr. Turner. 777 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,440 So, he's through here, right? Okay. 778 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,360 The warden, Mr. Turner, dictates how this block is run. 779 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,240 The prophets, even from Genesis... 780 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,760 [translating in other language] 781 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,720 [Turner] ...have gone through the fires. 782 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,520 [translating in other language] 783 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,800 All types of trials and temptations. 784 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:04,040 [Rowe] Every day, Mr. Turner tries to inspire change 785 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,400 in his errant flock of gang members and murderers. 786 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,880 And who is left to do those trials? The usurper, Lucifer. 787 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,960 And God allows that... 788 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,240 [Rowe] More preacher than prison guard, 789 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,880 Mr. Turner uses his own brand of evangelical Christianity 790 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960 to get the administration's message across. 791 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,200 We are tired of doing things Lucifer's way. 792 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,560 [translating in other language] 793 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,400 We want to do things Jesus' way. 794 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,480 -Amen. -[all] Amen. 795 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,120 [Rowe] I'm no expert, but, to me, it feels like brainwashing. 796 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,680 What percentage of these prisoners have, do you think, 797 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,640 embraced God since you've come in and taken over, and those that have not? 798 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,800 I would say we are about 60% to 65%. 799 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,440 Is your ideal to reach 100%? 800 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,320 Not just in Tango 7, but across the whole of this prison complex? 801 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,760 That's the entire idea here. This prison is spiritually-based. 802 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,640 Only God can give us patience to deal with this situation. 803 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,880 [Rowe] What's your thoughts about Ad Seg? 804 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,400 Because for me, that is the ultimate punishment. 805 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,840 It feels the prison is run on fear, fear of being punished. 806 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,240 Some of the things that are happening, 807 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,960 they are keeping them for a long period of time. 808 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,200 I do believe that, at some point, it could defeat the purpose. 809 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,520 But even we need to understand how to deal with Ad Seg 810 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,840 and the guys that have to be placed there. 811 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,240 I'm sure our superintendent is looking into these things. 812 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,320 What sort of characters are coming back to the wing? 813 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,280 Are you seeing angry beast? Are you seeing guys that have been broken? 814 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,480 What kind of guys are coming back? 815 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,400 Some of them come back, you know... They look weary. They look tired. 816 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,080 Now, that is my moment. 817 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,920 You see, those are the moments that I need to... 818 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,200 embrace them. 819 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,480 And let them know, "Hey, as bad as it was, remember this: 820 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,280 Jesus was placed on that cross there for no reason." 821 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,760 We are here on a mission. 822 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,760 The mission is to try to help somebody to change. 823 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,720 [Rowe] It's clear that in this evangelically Christian environment, 824 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,200 ideas of redemption are never far away. 825 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,480 But, to me, this feels less like rebirth and more like reprogramming. 826 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,600 Whether they've seen the light or are just desperate to avoid Ad Seg, 827 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,840 for those that do get with the program, the rewards are tangible. 828 00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,920 For my final day at Belize Central Prison, 829 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,040 I'm back in orange to join the chopping crew. 830 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,680 Is this my seat? 831 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,200 It turns out that chopping involves a bunch of trusted inmates 832 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,040 being bused out of the prison to cut grass... 833 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000 today at a local school. 834 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,080 To do it, they use very large and very sharp machetes. 835 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,240 There's a lot of trust put in these guys to come in and do this. 836 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,160 These guys are picking up some big knives. [chuckles] 837 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,640 Is this my one? 838 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,440 Look at this. I hesitate to touch it with my finger. 839 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,040 [indistinct chatter] 840 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,600 Raphael, come inside. 841 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,080 [Rowe] Mr. Turner expressed reservations about the effectiveness of Ad Seg. 842 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,320 I want to meet those who have experienced it, 843 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,040 and hear what they think of Belize Prison's tough love philosophy. 844 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,520 I think I've got a blunt sword. 845 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,280 -How long have you been doing this? -[Eric] Five years. 846 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,400 Five years! I'm five seconds. 847 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,880 I want a lawnmower. 848 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,520 My chopping partner, Eric, is doing 15 years for manslaughter, 849 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,520 and tells me he's an Ad Seg veteran. 850 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,680 Do you think you've changed in ten years in prison? 851 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,200 Yes. When I came to this institution, I was a person... 852 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,520 We couldn't be having this chat if I was the same person as back then. 853 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,480 -[Rowe] Why? -[Eric] I was very aggressive. 854 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,200 The way we grew up... We grew up in a place that was run by gangs. 855 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,680 That's how we were raised. And everything in the street... 856 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,280 You gotta be someone tough to get what you want. 857 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,200 That's why here, when I came to jail, I was in lot of trouble. 858 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,680 [Rowe] What changed you? 859 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,960 [Eric] All these years that I've been here, 860 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,640 I've been to all the lockdowns within the prison. 861 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:43,960 I've been to Ad Seg. 862 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,560 You're living in a place that there's no breeze, no light, no nothing. 863 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:49,680 That's total lockdown. 864 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,160 All those things let me realize that... 865 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,560 it's not paying for all the trouble I'm giving. 866 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,040 Mr. Murillo will say you're a product of the type of prison that he runs 867 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,240 because he says he will give you the opportunity to change. 868 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,600 And if you don't, he'll punish you and make you change. 869 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,720 [Eric] Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. 870 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,480 I've shown them I've gotten away from all that negativity. 871 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,200 I'm trying to perceive now. 872 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,760 Sometimes, you need a little punishment to realize, right, 873 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,760 your mistakes that you're doing. 874 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,480 [Rowe] Despite my reservations about harsh punishments 875 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:29,040 like Ad Seg and the Iron Curtain, Eric seems to be living proof 876 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,880 that Mr. Murillo's carrot and very large stick approach can work. 877 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,760 And he's not alone. 878 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,320 Since Kolbe took over, 879 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,080 the re-offending rate has apparently dropped from 73% to 23%. 880 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,200 When I first arrived here, a week ago, I was pretty skeptical about this place. 881 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,120 [prisoners singing hymn] 882 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,840 [Rowe] To me, it felt more like a religious cult than a prison. 883 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,080 [singing hymn] 884 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,760 [Rowe] I'm still not sure what I think about their hard-line methods. 885 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,360 But after meeting apparently reformed characters 886 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,000 and seeing rival gang members coming together at Mr. Turner's sermons... 887 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,680 [singing and clapping] 888 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,560 [Rowe] I have to admit that they seem to be doing something right. 889 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,000 My time here at Belize Central is now over. 890 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,960 Faith is at the heart of how they rehabilitate their prisoners. 891 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,960 God is used to motivate and to inspire, and for many it actually works. 892 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,520 But for those who rebel or re-offend, there is no mercy.